If a person believes in evolution . . .

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Of course, the simpler explanations is ...... that the story is BOLLOCKS.... But what do I know?

Bollocks, is that what some folks up in the hills call "mountain oysters?" I've heard of 'em, never tried 'em.
I think the origin of religion is evidence of the first scam artist. A long time ago, when the people were afraid of lightning and thunder. One clever fellow saw a way to free food. He said, "The sky is angry at us because we have done something to offend it." Well, to the people in the group/tribe/clan, this sounded as logical as anything else. Then the scam artist said, "I'm the only one who really knows how to talk to and deal with the sky. But it's going to take all my time so you will have to bring me food and the other neccessities." And they did. The scam artist started explaining the ways of nature as he saw them and his life was good. Then he realized that he could export the scam, er, sceam to the other groups/tribes/clans in the area and they would also bring him things he wanted. The High Priest business was good and got better as imaginations got bigger.

I think this was on one of the threads here some time ago but i'll quote it again. "The Bible is a compendium of conflicting and inaccurate stories written thousands of years ago by people who were highly racist, sexist and overall superstitious."

Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done.
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Where are we going and why are we in this basket?

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If a person believes in evolution . .

Evolution is not a "belief" any more than the non-flatness of the Earth is. In any context, including this one, when "fact" and "understanding" are labeled "belief", the starting premise of the entire discussion is already skewed.

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True, but a majority of those who understand the evolutionary process seem to use that knowledge to support a belief, based on faith, that there is no God

I would disagree with that statement. I would say that the vast majority of atheists believe in evolution , but the vast majority of people I've gone to church with also do.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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>but a majority of those who understand the evolutionary process seem to
> use that knowledge to support a belief, based on faith, that there is no
>God.

I think the majority of people understand that evolutionary biology means that neither Genesis story is literally true. That does not equal, though, that "there is no God." (Although it may well mean "there is no God as described by group X.")

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True, but a majority of those who understand the evolutionary process seem to use that knowledge to support a belief, based on faith, that there is no God.

The connection between the god and the bible seems to be hardwired inside your brain. But as soon as you understand that this connection is artificial and it's not required, you'll see it yourself that "belief" in evolution and belief in god have no connections, and you could easily "believe" in both. This would only mean the bible is full of shit, which is obvious to everyone who has ever read it.

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Getting back on topic.

Getting really back on topic, this entire thread was a poor attempt to justify some redneck twat's use of a common racist slur (blacks=monkeys) against the current first lady. Which has surprisingly passed without comment among the wider discussion.

OK.

I'll admit being to being ignorant and didn't even get to whom the comment was referring. (Was it mentioned in some other thread or something in the news? Or is it just "common knowledge"?)

It was mentioned in this thread, post number 7. The first few posts were an attempt at leading questions geared up to justifying an old comment by Rusty DePass "Commenting on a report posted to Facebook about a gorilla escape at a zoo in Columbia, S.C., Friday, longtime GOP activist Rusty DePass wrote, "I'm sure it's just one of Michelle's ancestors very distant cousins - probably harmless."

Unfortunately for the OP he's too ignorant about evolution to even construct his leading questions prperly, so by the time he got around to the justification part the discussion had already taken a life of it's own with people correcting his poor level of knowledge.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Many Christians have no problem agreeing with scientific principles.

The question is "who" authored the scientific principles? Here is what God said about it. I love the book of Job.

The LORD Reveals His Omnipotence to Job

1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:

2 “Who is this who darkens counsel
By words without knowledge?

3 Now prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me.

4 “ Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.

5 Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?

6 To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,

7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors,
When it burst forth and issued from the womb;

9 When I made the clouds its garment,
And thick darkness its swaddling band;

10 When I fixed My limit for it,
And set bars and doors;

11 When I said,

‘This far you may come, but no farther,
And here your proud waves must stop!’

12 “Have you commanded the morning since your days began,
And caused the dawn to know its place,

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth,
And the wicked be shaken out of it?

14 It takes on form like clay under a seal,
And stands out like a garment.

15 From the wicked their light is withheld,
And the upraised arm is broken.

16 “Have you entered the springs of the sea?
Or have you walked in search of the depths?

17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you?
Or have you seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18 Have you comprehended the breadth of the earth?
Tell Me, if you know all this.

19 “ Where is the way to the dwelling of light?
And darkness, where is its place,

20 That you may take it to its territory,
That you may know the paths to its home?

21 Do you know it, because you were born then,
Or because the number of your days is great?

22 “Have you entered the treasury of snow,
Or have you seen the treasury of hail,

23 Which I have reserved for the time of trouble,
For the day of battle and war?

24 By what way is light diffused,
Or the east wind scattered over the earth?

25 “Who has divided a channel for the overflowing water,
Or a path for the thunderbolt,

26 To cause it to rain on a land where there is no one,
A wilderness in which there is no man;

27 To satisfy the desolate waste,
And cause to spring forth the growth of tender grass?

28 Has the rain a father?
Or who has begotten the drops of dew?

29 From whose womb comes the ice?
And the frost of heaven, who gives it birth?

30 The waters harden like stone,
And the surface of the deep is frozen.

31 “Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades,
Or loose the belt of Orion?

32 Can you bring out Mazzaroth[a] in its season?
Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?

33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
Can you set their dominion over the earth?

34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
That an abundance of water may cover you?

35 Can you send out lightnings, that they may go,
And say to you, ‘Here we are!’?

36 Who has put wisdom in the mind?
Or who has given understanding to the heart?

37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom?
Or who can pour out the bottles of heaven,

38 When the dust hardens in clumps,
And the clods cling together?

39 “Can you hunt the prey for the lion,
Or satisfy the appetite of the young lions,

40 When they crouch in their dens,
Or lurk in their lairs to lie in wait?

41 Who provides food for the raven,
When its young ones cry to God,
And wander about for lack of food?

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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--- But as soon as you understand that this connection is artificial and it's not required, you'll see it yourself that "belief" in evolution and belief in god have no connections, and you could easily "believe" in both.

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Agreed, that is what I was trying to say. Knowledge of evolution does not support the belief that God is a mythical construct. Rejection of God is from an inner rebellion not from knowledge of scientific facts.

There is no rejection of God, same way as there is no rejection of Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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Agreed, that is what I was trying to say. Knowledge of evolution does not support the belief that God is a mythical construct. Rejection of God is from an inner rebellion not from knowledge of scientific facts.

There is no rejection of God, same way as there is no rejection of Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Actually, I do reject the FSM. I prefer rice.

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me too...already cited it earlier in the thread.

Job 38 is one of my favorites when i see people pontificating about how there's NO WAY a certain thing could possibly be true, especially in the whole science/religion thing.

Of course, call me a heretic but i believe science is the product of a God-given rational mind, given to us so we can increase our understanding of God and the world, with the ultimate goal of drawing closer to Him...not driving us away.

But what do i know?

Never meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!

[kallend 2,147]

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me too...already cited it earlier in the thread.

Job 38 is one of my favorites when i see people pontificating about how there's NO WAY a certain thing could possibly be true, especially in the whole science/religion thing.

Of course, call me a heretic but i believe science is the product of a God-given rational mind, given to us so we can increase our understanding of God and the world, with the ultimate goal of drawing closer to Him...not driving us away.

But what do i know?

God gave us free will, which proves that she's Pro Choice.

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