I thought it was a hoax . . .

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. . . but they really STILL trying to put this shit into our schools.

It's rediculous!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[kbordson 8]

The spirit of the class is good: Don't bully.

My opinions from considering BOTH sides though.
1. The book should NOT be banned. (Tango makes three - the gay penguin book)
2. School should NOT teach K-5 about sexuality. Health class in middle/high school should cover those topics.

So... a lesson plan on bullying - ok. But keep the added topics out. Sounds simple enough. Why would the schools fight to include such controverial debate?

[wmw999 2,584]

Not allowing parents to opt out is wrong. However, trying to address bullying is probably a good thing. If they're seeing an increase in bullying behavior, education is one way to address it, and generally a good one.

Putting a face on a person who is being bullied (i.e. showing what he has in common with the bulliers) is likely to decrease the bullying.

It's much harder to beat up on someone you can identify with in some way. Maybe not with their sexuality, but if you can understand that gay people also have families, like music etc. it might decrease the bullying. I'm assuming you agree that's a good thing.

What would be another way to address increased bullying?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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What would be another way to address increased bullying?

Wendy P.

Corporal Punishment.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Remster 30]

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What would be another way to address increased bullying?

Wendy P.

Corporal Punishment.

Hit the kid who doesn't do what you want him to do. I cant see any flaws in this line of thought.

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What would be another way to address increased bullying?

Wendy P.

Corporal Punishment.

Hit the kid who doesn't do what you want him to do. I cant see any flaws in this line of thought.

Done properly, it works well.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[NWFlyer 2]

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Done properly, it works well.

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It's rediculous!

You must not have been hit properly, then.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[billvon 3,110]

>Corporal Punishment.

An excellent idea! After all, teaching him about tolerance may wound him for life - but belting him a few times will teach him respect.

[Caitlin89 0]

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. . . but they really STILL trying to put this shit into our schools.

It's rediculous!

RIdiculous? No. They're not planning to explain gay sex to school children, but rather provide a lesson in tolerance/acceptance. Get over it.

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Get over it.

Things would go easier if the people who were always screaming "tolerance" practiced it----On both sides.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[Caitlin89 0]

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Get over it.

Things would go easier if the people who were always screaming "tolerance" practiced it----On both sides.

If not tolerating homophobia makes me 'intolerant', then I'm proud to carry that badge.

[wmw999 2,584]

What are we supposed to tolerate -- others' desire to have the world configured to their restrictions, so that they don't have to tolerate that which they don't want to?

I'm not asking to be difficult, but sometimes tolerance does mean tolerating that which you don't choose to do or participate in yourself.

And there aren't clear lines between all these things, are there.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[futuredivot 0]

So, it's OK-different-acceptable-as long as it's your way.

Come on-I don't have have kids and I know that broaching the subject of sexuality in nearly any context puts a parent in a position of having to discuss with their 5 year old a subject the child is not yet prepared to understand.
I won't even get in to the fact that many consider it a moral issue which brushes it up against religion. If religion isn't allowed in school, anti religion should have to follow the same constraints.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[billvon 3,110]

>it's OK-different-acceptable-as long as it's your way.

That's sorta silly. Like saying that if you are against slavery, you should be tolerant of people who support slavery, so that everyone is tolerant.

>I don't have have kids and I know that broaching the subject of
>sexuality in nearly any context puts a parent in a position of having to
>discuss with their 5 year old a subject the child is not yet prepared to
>understand.

Agreed. Any teaching of sexuality (hetero _or_ homo version) has to be tailored to the age of the child, and should primarily be the responsibility of the parents.

[turtlespeed 226]

Tolerant is as tolerant does.

Again - just because you think you are right, doesn't make it so.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Ion01 2]

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Health class in middle/high school should cover those topics.
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No, parents should cover these topics. School is supposed to teach math, science, language, and arts....not morality....not when its okay to have sex and how to use a condom.
When will we stop blaming the schools and start blaming the parents for the childrens failures?

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When will we stop blaming the schools and start blaming the parents for the childrens failures?

When we start holding people accountable and stop going to the government to fix all of our problems..

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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When will we stop blaming the schools and start blaming the parents for the childrens failures?

When we start holding people accountable and stop going to the government to fix all of our problems..

But - But - But - Then we would have to do that ourselves! It would be like work!

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,110]

>Tolerant is as tolerant does.

So you'd be tolerant of someone who supported slavery? I guess we have different world views, then.

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>Tolerant is as tolerant does.

So you'd be tolerant of someone who supported slavery? I guess we have different world views, then.

Do you think that we should have gone into Iraq?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,110]

>Do you think that we should have gone into Iraq?

Nope.

[turtlespeed 226]

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>Do you think that we should have gone into Iraq?

Nope.

So you are tolerant of murderous Dictators then.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,110]

>So you are tolerant of murderous Dictators then.

Nope. I hate them.

[futuredivot 0]

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if you are against slavery, you should be tolerant of people who support slavery, so that everyone is tolerant.

Yes it is-I don't support the practice, but I tolerate their beliefs. Just like I support the beliefs of both hetero and homosexuals. I just don't think I should have to deal with anyone's sexuality that I'm not actually sleeping with and I don't think grammar school is the time to broach the subject or that school is the place to do it outside of health ed at an appropriate developmental stage. AND, I think that others should be tolerant of my beliefs even if they aren't wise enough to agree with them..

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[kbordson 8]

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Health class in middle/high school should cover those topics.
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No, parents should cover these topics. School is supposed to teach math, science, language, and arts....not morality....not when its okay to have sex and how to use a condom.
When will we stop blaming the schools and start blaming the parents for the childrens failures?

I agree. Parents SHOULD cover the morality of sex/relationships/ect. But Health class is an appropriate place to discuss medical topics - biology, pathology, infectious agents. It is an appropriate place to discuss cancer, teratogens (smoking) and safe practices. I don't think that it would be considered the parents failure to have health classes in school. Should the parents teach, model and expect healthy lifestyles? OF COURSE. But a lot of people don't honestly KNOW why they can't take antibiotics when they have the "cold." Now, if the parents are competent to teach those subjects, then sure, fine, wonderful... as long as it is taught at home.

edit to correct spelling errors.... HEY, I never claimed to be competent to teach spelling.

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