quade 4 #26 September 8, 2009 Quote A former Grand Dragon for the KKK wants to get a job in the Department of Defense as the "Military Czar". You mean like David Duke, the Republican that tried to run for Senator, Governor and even the President of the US? Well, while he did get to be a member of the Louisiana House of Representatives from 1989 to 1992, he didn't get any further. Quote We can all agree that he is probably someone that we don't want to get ahold of military secrets. No worries. Both sides of the aisle will actually keep idiots like that from gaining real power at the national level. Quote This is the problem I have with the hole "Czar" thing. How do I know Von Jones isn't going to start pumping pollutants into "rich white neighborhoods" for revenge? Because that road leads to Crazytown. Look, I'm not denying that weird shit is out in the world, but I think you're confused as to how much power this guy had to begin with. It probably stems from "the media's" use of the word "czar." They aren't "Czars," they are, in fact, "special advisors." They have no real power. Because the President can't sit in every meeting he'd like to, the special advisors picked from people that have some expertise in an area and are tasked with attending the meetings for which they are assigned and reporting back to the President what is happening. They are his eyes and ears in the room, but they no more have the power to wage a bio-chemical war against "rich white neighborhoods" than either of us do. To think otherwise is just silly. Quote I have seen people trying to become navy SEAL's kicked out of BUD's for having Arian Nation tatoo's on their backs, I expect the same from my president, even if it is "reverse discrimination." Does it not occur to you that SEALs might have other reasons for not having identifying marks on them; particularly ones depicting Nazism? Also, you're not suggesting that Obama has some sort of secret radical tattoo on HIS back are you? I'm fairly certain there are photos of him on vacation in Hawaii with his shirt off.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #27 September 8, 2009 QuoteWell shucks, we wouldn't want a little thing like the Constitution to get in the way of doing things quickly! I really believe the right-wing is correct in this matter. The czars should be vetted by Congress, considering the amount of power they wield. And just as soon as we have the next Republican President, we'll start doing that.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #28 September 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteA former Grand Dragon for the KKK wants to get a job in the Department of Defense as the "Military Czar". You mean like David Duke, the Republican that tried to run for Senator, Governor and even the President of the US? Well, while he did get to be a member of the Louisiana House of Representatives from 1989 to 1992, he didn't get any further. Yes, the one the Republicans booted out after one term - unlike former Klansman Robert Byrd, who has been re-elected by the Democrats for the last 50 years.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 September 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteWell shucks, we wouldn't want a little thing like the Constitution to get in the way of doing things quickly! I really believe the right-wing is correct in this matter. The czars should be vetted by Congress, considering the amount of power they wield. And just as soon as we have the next Republican President, we'll start doing that. Assuming you're serious in that statement, the amount of hypocrisy inherent in it is staggering. If, however, you're being sarcastic... well then, carry on.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #30 September 8, 2009 Nice push-poll. Sort of gets the thread off to a poisonous start, but what the hell. Appointing management personnel to non-cabinet level executive office divisions has always been the purview of the president, and has never required the advice and consent of the Senate. That is no less so with the current administration than with prior ones. Referring to them by the media label of "czars" (first done by the media when William Simon was appointed as Nixon's "energy czar") does not make it any less so. I'd predict that about 90% of Federal judges, appellate court judges and Supreme Court justices would rule this to be Constitutional, and would reject your position as incorrect. If you object to this practice on policy grounds, fine- then petition your Congressman and Senator to begin the process of amending the Constitution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #31 September 8, 2009 QuoteNice push-poll. Sort of gets the thread off to a poisonous start, but what the hell. Appointing management personnel to non-cabinet level executive office divisions has always been the purview of the president, and has never required the advice and consent of the Senate. That is no less so with the current administration than with prior ones. Referring to them by the media label of "czars" (first done by the media when William Simon was appointed as Nixon's "energy czar") does not make it any less so. I'd predict that about 90% of Federal judges, appellate court judges and Supreme Court justices would rule this to be Constitutional, and would reject your position as incorrect. If you object to this practice on policy grounds, fine- then petition your Congressman and Senator to begin the process of amending the Constitution. I don't think the constitution doesn't need to be changed. I think the term "Inferior Officers" covers it. Past presidents may have gotten away with it but I don't think that makes it right. One or two Czars to help out might escape scrutiny, but 37? The president has pretty much out sourced the entire Executive branch to people we know nothing about. I for one would like to know."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #32 September 8, 2009 Quote Because that road leads to Crazytown. Look, I'm not denying that weird shit is out in the world, but I think you're confused as to how much power this guy had to begin with. It probably stems from "the media's" use of the word "czar." They aren't "Czars," they are, in fact, "special advisors." They have no real power. Because the President can't sit in every meeting he'd like to, the special advisors picked from people that have some expertise in an area and are tasked with attending the meetings for which they are assigned and reporting back to the President what is happening. They are his eyes and ears in the room, but they no more have the power to wage a bio-chemical war against "rich white neighborhoods" than either of us do. To think otherwise is just silly. Yes, that road does lead to crazy town. Since I don't want to go to crazy town, lets find out about our czars to make sure they are not leading us there. Despite what any one says, sitting in for the president at meetings and having the ear of the president is power. I used to play a game in elementary school where someone would make up a phrase and pass it around the room and then we would see what it was by the time it got back to you. Quote Does it not occur to you that SEALs might have other reasons for not having identifying marks on them; particularly ones depicting Nazism? Also, you're not suggesting that Obama has some sort of secret radical tattoo on HIS back are you? I'm fairly certain there are photos of him on vacation in Hawaii with his shirt off. If by other reasons you mean not giving the best training and access to the best weapons to someone who may abuse them, then yes. I'm pretty sure that Obama does not have any radical tattoos on him. I really don't know what he stands for at all still. The only thing he has done so far is make speeches and give all of his authority to congress and the czars..., oh...., and vacation with his family in some of the most lovely places.Oh yea, and blame Bush"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #33 September 8, 2009 QuoteAnd with the Democrats controlling both the House and the Senate, exactly what difference would this have made other than to slow things down for the transition team? Wow. Just wow. Who needs rules, anyway? They just slow things down. Hey, if no one wants to speak just now, who really needs the 1st Amendment, anyway? It's not all about your party and the other party. There are some other people (and principles) around here, too.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #34 September 8, 2009 QuoteWho needs rules, anyway? Tom, again, the rules regarding special advisors say, may, not shall. There is no rule that requires it and it's only a disingenuous attempt by some to slow down progress to bring it up at this point. I notice none of the folks that are pushing for it now had any problems with it the previous administrations.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 September 8, 2009 QuoteI notice none of the folks that are pushing for it now had any problems with it the previous administrations. Previous administrations didn't have near as many. As I said above, I think he needs to be more worried about filling his Cabinet than appointing czars.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #36 September 8, 2009 Quote I really believe the right-wing is correct in this matter. The czars should be vetted by Congress, considering the amount of power they wield. Why? I'm not sold on the need, or right for Congress to hold dog and pony shows on the Cabinet nominations either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #37 September 8, 2009 The last thing we need is yet another excuse for Congressmen to pontificate at great length without any need to actually discuss or consider legislation. But maybe a different name for all these tsars would be good. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #38 September 8, 2009 QuoteBut maybe a different name for all these tsars would be good. The actual name for the position is "special advisor". The term"czar" was used by "the media" many years ago. It stuck as the unofficial title.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #39 September 8, 2009 Yeah, I know -- that's why I used the alternate spelling. Considering a czar was far from an advisor, I'd be hard pressed to call it an appropriate name anyway. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
