Why? What is the Goal? What will he say?

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No one will take your bet because the bet was, "I'll bet what he says is controversial" (paraphrasing)

Of course in your mind it will be controversial. Everything he does to paranoid dead-enders is controversial. If he sat there are read Dr. Suess you'd find something controversial. For fucks sake if he read the goddamn phone book you'd say it was controversial.

Listen to yourself. You have nothing to say except, "Obama bad"

Ok, let me be much more specific.
If, after the "speach" the kids are somehow encouraged to ask

"Mommy, daddy, why do some people want to stop others from the "right" of having health care?"

or

"Mommy, daddy, why so some people what to polute or kill our planet?"

What do you think?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Everything he does to paranoid dead-enders is controversial.

Why are you trying to stereotype anyone who opposes the President's legislative agenda as a "paranoid dead-ender"?

Wouldn't it be more productive to actually discuss the issues? Or has that failed and now you are falling back to name calling?

When you have a party that lives and dies by polls and, that same parties elected pres has poll numbers dropping faster to a lower point than any before him (since the numbers have been taken) they get a little pissy with the deniers

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Why are you trying to stereotype anyone who opposes the President's legislative agenda as a "paranoid dead-ender"?

Wouldn't it be more productive to actually discuss the issues? Or has that failed and now you are falling back to name calling?

I didn't say that everyone who opposes Obama's policies is a paranoid dead-ender. You made that leap yourself. I just said that the paranoid dead-enders will find something to object to in every little thing he does, no matter how innocuous.

I'd love to see people discuss the issues around here. Unfortunately, most of the debate around here revolves around lies, exaggerations, and yes, paranoid fantasies promulgated by the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and O'Reilly.

On this topic, there is no rational way to discuss it. It's like having a rational discussion about the boogeyman with a four year old. The kid will keep believing that the boogeyman is hiding in the closet no matter how many times you explain how unlikely it is.

And no, I'm not calling anyone a four-year old, just the mindset that Obama MUST have an ulterior motive for everything he does is akin to the irrational fear of a child.

- Dan G

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On this topic, there is no rational way to discuss it. It's like having a rational discussion about the boogeyman with a four year old. The kid will keep believing that the boogeyman is hiding in the closet no matter how many times you explain how unlikely it is.

I'd love to have a rational discussion about it. I thought we were doing that until you started accusing people of paranoia. Why did you go there? Was it just your assumption that we couldn't discuss things?

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And no, I'm not calling anyone a four-year old, just the mindset that Obama MUST have an ulterior motive for everything he does is akin to the irrational fear of a child.

I believe that every politician has an ulterior motive (acquiring or maintaining political power) for every action they take. Call me a cynic, but I'm fairly convinced that the world works that way. If that makes me an irrational child? Well, I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[warpedskydiver 0]

Too bad Obamacles supporters cannot recall that Obamacles himself, who is supposed to be a constitutional scholar does not know the difference between rights and privileges.

Do his supporters have amnesia or do they purposely forget his responses during the campaign?

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Cliffy....show me a post I have made about 9-11. You won't find one.

I disliked Bush as well as Clinton. I didn't trust either one of them.

That being said...Obama is much, much worse than either of them. You can always tell when he (or his teleprompter) is lying....his lips are moving.

Bush/Clinton what are we looking at like 20 + years you didn't like the government and you apparently dislike the current administration.

Whatcha gonna do about it?

You tried sweatin em out
You tried scrubbin em out
You tried bleachin em out but after twenty four years or so you just can't get a government that works for the American people!
Think the deck may be stacked against us?
Think it just might be time for a revolution?

You in?
Or are you willing to just keep on marchin to the rigged ballot box?

Man or mouse?

Blues,
Cliff

Cliffyboy....I know our education system is not the greatest anymore (thanks to the NEA). Clinton was there for 8 years. Bush was there for 8 years. 8 plus 8 is 16 years.....not 20 or 24.

[TankBuster 0]

"Hey, teachah, leave them kids alone!"

The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

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Cliffyboy....I know our education system is not the greatest anymore (thanks to the NEA). Clinton was there for 8 years. Bush was there for 8 years. 8 plus 8 is 16 years.....not 20 or 24.

You do know there were two Bushes right?

4(Bush) + 8(Clinton) + 8(Bush) = 20.

[rushmc 23]

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"Hey, teachah, leave them kids alone!"

"Amen"

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[TomAiello 26]

I read today that Virginia is asking local schools to make rooms available for children who's parents want to opt out of this.

Schools to Let Students Skip Obama Speech.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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I read today that Virginia is asking local schools to make rooms available for children who's parents want to opt out of this.

Schools to Let Students Skip Obama Speech.

As it should be but, may be a moot point now.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/white-house-withdraws-students-help-obama/

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The Obama administration is rethinking its course recommendations for students ahead of President Obama's address to the the nation's schoolchildren next week, rewriting its suggestions to teachers for student assignments on how to "help the president,"

The Washington Times reported Thursday that presidential aides acknowledged they helped the U.S. Education Department write the suggested assignments, which stirred criticism by many who say Obama is trying to indoctrinate the education system.

White House aides said the language was supposed to be a inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths, but its unintended consequences were evident.

Among the activities initially suggested for pre-K to 6th grade students was to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."

Another assignment for students after hearing the speech was to discuss what "the president wants us to do."

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I read today that Virginia is asking local schools to make rooms available for children who's parents want to opt out of this.

Schools to Let Students Skip Obama Speech.

"La La La La La I've got my fingers in my ears I can't hear you La La La..."

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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I read today that Virginia is asking local schools to make rooms available for children who's parents want to opt out of this.

Schools to Let Students Skip Obama Speech.

La La La La La I've got my fingers in my ears I can't hear you La La La...

???

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[wmw999 2,587]

I don't remember this much furor when Bush I addressed schoolchildren about drugs.

Oh wait -- there weren't as many radio rabble-rousers, were there.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I don't remember this much furor when Bush I addressed schoolchildren about drugs.

Oh wait -- there weren't as many radio rabble-rousers, were there.

Wendy P.

So, you are saying that addressing one school building of kids is the same as preparing working/talking points with the teacher prior to speaking to all kids in the country?

Your point about the radio crap is insulting Wendy, I posted this tread before any radio rabble rouser was on the air.

And, if you care to read the whole thread, you would see I would not have a prblem with it IF the address was inspirational. OR about drugs. That is not what it WAS going to be now was it. Does that matter to you? Maybe Bush should have addressed as children and asked them to help him with support for the war? That would have been fun huh

And, as of yet, (before the admin backed off because they have been called on thier shit) no one took the specific bet I laid out. Would have you?

Your post here seems a bit out of character for you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I read today that Virginia is asking local schools to make rooms available for children who's parents want to opt out of this.

Schools to Let Students Skip Obama Speech.

The intent of Obama's speech is to "challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning,"

F'n "socialist". I wonder if they would allow their kids to listen to that drivel if Glen Beck was giving a post speech rebuttal.
I'm a Virginian and I'm only half joking

As for Marc's previous hypothetical questions from the kids, I think that if Obama was able to get kids asking questions about the health care, education and pollution it would be a great thing. It beats the heck out of talking about Power Rangers or Hannah Montana.



That's got me thinking, I'm willing to bet that Power Rangers, Hannah Montana and elevated mercury levels in our kids' food have very similar impacts on cognitive development.

[wmw999 2,587]

In 1989 Bush I had a national speech to children urging them not to do drugs.

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At least 15,000 superintendents and 55,000 principals were notified by the Education Department of the speech today, and many schools held assemblies or brought television sets into classrooms so students could watch Mr. Bush. 'Won't Make You a Nerd'

Contemporary NY Times article.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Ion01 2]

Has no one read the agenda for the kids? It says things like "what is obama asking you to do?" and the kids are supposed to write themselves a letter, that the teachs will help hold them responsible for, in which they describe what they can do for the president......not what they can do to better themselves as people, not what they can do to help others around them, but what they can do for HIM.....the president..... a single individual! If you can not see the clear intent to elicit support from our children through clear manipulation then you are clearly blind and that is why we are failing as a country!
.......and van jones is a great capitalist too.........

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I read today that Virginia is asking local schools to make rooms available for children who's parents want to opt out of this.

Schools to Let Students Skip Obama Speech.

"La La La La La I've got my fingers in my ears I can't hear you La La La..."

???

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to say.

Maybe I should have put it in quotes. It's fixed now.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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In 1989 Bush I had a national speech to children urging them not to do drugs.

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At least 15,000 superintendents and 55,000 principals were notified by the Education Department of the speech today, and many schools held assemblies or brought television sets into classrooms so students could watch Mr. Bush. 'Won't Make You a Nerd'

Contemporary NY Times article.

Wendy P.

Ok, cool and it was about drugs then? Not about major policy changes?

this is about "helping friends on drugs"

You see no difference? Or is it ok for a pres to use kids to pressure parents to support a less than popular change/agenda?

And how about the bet?

Edited to add:

Or is this about an agenda you support so doing this is OK?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,587]

And this one is about education -- study hard. At least that's what I read.

I would have trusted Bush to address school children on a natiowide basis, even during the run-up to the Iraq war. I'd trust Obama to address school children on a nationwide basis.

If nothing else, they're both politicians, and messing with people's children has way too little future in it.

As far as the bet, well, rush, I'd have to say no, because some people will find controversy in "good morning."

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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And this one is about education -- study hard. At least that's what I read.

I would have trusted Bush to address school children on a natiowide basis, even during the run-up to the Iraq war. I'd trust Obama to address school children on a nationwide basis.

If nothing else, they're both politicians, and messing with people's children has way too little future in it.

As far as the bet, well, rush, I'd have to say no, because some people will find controversy in "good morning."

Wendy P.

Well I dont think you read the link to see the pre, during and post speach "work book"

And the bet was specific in that I laid out exactly what would define the bet.

Would the speach cause the kids to ask "Mommy, daddy, why are some people so mean they dont want everyone to have health care?" Or, "Mommy, daddy, why are some people so greedy they will polute the planet for money?"

In all honest Wedny, I find it hard to believe you see no difference but, I will acept your position as one you believe.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Ion01 2]

Also, have we forgotten about the "civilian national security force" obama has said he wanted and should be as well or better funded than the military. Have we forgotten about his staff saying that it would be manditory for people around 18 years old. If you elicit support the way he is ("how can I help the president?") the later he can supply a way for you to help through this force.
Who is he trying to protect us from anyways? Terrorist? No he wanted them released. He didn't participate in the national day of prayer but did participate in ramadan and said that islam is a great religion......
Who has the administration said is a threat? Have you forgotten about the paper which described militia's (which we can have under the constitution) palin and ron paul supporters, ex-military personnel, christians, people who think the government is getting too big, etc.... as the threats.
Have you forgotten how he has talked about setting up detainment prisons for people who haven't broken the law but are a threat and that they don't get the right to a lawyer or even a call because they are too much of a threat but wants rights (which are only for US citizens) read to prisoners of war?
He is clearly trying to establish a foundation of support which will ultimately aid in reaching these goals.
This is not a big conspirousy. They have openly told us thier goals! He has surrounded himself with extremist, communists, marxist, revolutionaries, etc. and many admit to these titles!
In the face of all this and the agenda for the schools......it is obvious obama just wants to talk to kids about doing better in school.

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Has no one read the agenda for the kids?....

That's a great idea. We should all try it.
Letter from Secretary Duncan

Pre K through 6 activities

Grades 7-12 activitites


I gave it a quick read. Missed the part that hacks like Malkin seem to fear. Unless of course the thoughtful exchange of ideas on education and personal responsibility are something to fear, in which case, I can see why she and the "new media" might feel threatened.

[wmw999 2,587]

Yeah, I read the agenda. What do you think it should say - "encourage children to say that the speaker is a big bozo?"

It's asking for critical thinking at a level that's appropriate for children. That's what teachers are supposed to be teaching -- how else to children learn how to deal with new situations if they don't think about them?

No two situations are ever exactly alike. If we teach children only to react in rote manners, then they'll either react inappropriately, or fail to see the differences in situations, events, or people. Both are bad things, in my opinion.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)