Why? What is the Goal? What will he say?

[rushmc 23]

think the comments following in the link say it all

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President Obama’s Address to Students Across America September 8, 2009I

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10582301/President-Obama’s-Address-to-Students-Across-America-September-8-2009

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[christelsabine 1]

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think the comments following in the link say it all

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President Obama’s Address to Students Across America September 8, 2009I

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10582301/President-Obama’s-Address-to-Students-Across-America-September-8-2009

I'll wait for his speech in the year 2009I.

Let's discuss it after that.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[DanG 1]

Wow, I had no idea that when President Reagan visited my high school that it was a tool to indoctrinate me into a Nazi brotherhood. I was pretty psyched about it at the time.

Why is it different for Obama again?

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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Wow, I had no idea that when President Reagan visited my high school that it was a tool to indoctrinate me into a Nazi brotherhood. I was pretty psyched about it at the time.

Why is it different for Obama again?

I had no idea Reagan talked to all public schools in the nation? When did he do that? Did you know what he was going to say?

Where did the Nazi crap come from? What the hell is the matter with you?

In all seriousness. If I had a kid is school today, I would either be there or pull my kid unless I knew before hand what the topic was.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[countzero 7]

since his goal is to- in his own words, "fundamentally transform the united states of america"

he will most likely be using this as a chance to spread his marxist propaganda.

diamonds are a dawgs best friend

[rushmc 23]

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since his goal is to- in his own words, "fundamentally transform the united states of america"

he will most likely be using this as a chance to spread his marxist propaganda.

kind of like the NEA asking artists for art that was Pro Obama's message that they would then pay them for?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 4]

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In all seriousness. If I had a kid is school today, I would either be there or pull my kid unless I knew before hand what the topic was.

Wow. Talk about paranoia. Just . . . wow.

quade -
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[TomAiello 26]

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In all seriousness. If I had a kid is school today, I would either be there or pull my kid unless I knew before hand what the topic was.

Wow. Talk about paranoia. Just . . . wow.

Quade, do you have any kids?

I think it's ok to be a touch paranoid about your kids. Raising them is the most important responsibility you've got.

I'm curious to see if my daughter's pre-school is going to carry this speech. If it does, I'll probably want to sit in on it. I don't think that's particularly paranoid--I'm very interested in everything my kids learn, and more, I think it's my duty as a parent to be interested.

-- Tom Aiello

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[rushmc 23]

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In all seriousness. If I had a kid is school today, I would either be there or pull my kid unless I knew before hand what the topic was.

Wow. Talk about paranoia. Just . . . wow.

Quade, do you have any kids?

I think it's ok to be a touch paranoid about your kids. Raising them is the most important responsibility you've got.

I'm curious to see if my daughter's pre-school is going to carry this speech. If it does, I'll probably want to sit in on it. I don't think that's particularly paranoid--I'm very interested in everything my kids learn, and more, I think it's my duty as a parent to be interested.

Thanks Tom

I would do this with Bush or any POTUS today. I think (prediction here) the message with be very controversial. Anybody want to make a bet?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,121]

I thought it was pretty cool when President Reagan came to my kids' school.

I didn't worry that he'd try to indoctrinate them with Voodoo Economics.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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I think it's ok to be a touch paranoid about your kids. Raising them is the most important responsibility you've got.

I'm curious to see if my daughter's pre-school is going to carry this speech. If it does, I'll probably want to sit in on it. I don't think that's particularly paranoid--I'm very interested in everything my kids learn, and more, I think it's my duty as a parent to be interested.

100% in agreement.

Somehow though your tone comes across as much more reasonable than "In all seriousness. If I had a kid is school today, I would either be there or pull my kid unless I knew before hand what the topic was."

There is a difference between wanting to know what your child has heard, so that you can discuss with them whether you agree or disagree, and implying that listening to the POTUS is so dangerous that his speach has to be censored.

I probably agreed with about 5% of Bush's policies. I'd never deny my kids the chance to see the president speak because of that.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[DanG 1]

You said yourself to read the comments to the article. Nazism was mentioned more than once.

The fact that the President can't give a speech tailored to students without being accused of trying to indoctrinate them into his Marxist ideology really makes me fear for the future of rational discourse in the country. The angry mob seems to be the only tool the right wings has.

And no, I didn't know what Reagan was going to say. It was cool that he took the time to speak to high school students about education, and no one accused him of anything other than being interested in the nation's youth and their progress.

And I call absolute bullshit on your being upset if Bush gave a speech to students. Where are your posts decrying his presence in that kindergarden on 9-11. How dare he read a book about ducks to little kids! Did the parents know what book he was going to read ahead of time? Bullshit, I say.

- Dan G

[TomAiello 26]

I actually think there's a substantive difference between visiting a school or classroom and giving a televised address to all public school students in the nation.

I also think that Obama has shown that he's likely to grab an occasion that ought to be non-political and try to use it as a campaign opportunity. I really thought he'd have totally ignored the flap at Notre Dame--instead he used it to launch a volley of his own.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[rushmc 23]

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You said yourself to read the comments to the article. Nazism was mentioned more than once.

The fact that the President can't give a speech tailored to students without being accused of trying to indoctrinate them into his Marxist ideology really makes me fear for the future of rational discourse in the country. The angry mob seems to be the only tool the right wings has.

And no, I didn't know what Reagan was going to say. It was cool that he took the time to speak to high school students about education, and no one accused him of anything other than being interested in the nation's youth and their progress.

And I call absolute bullshit on your being upset if Bush gave a speech to students. Where are your posts decrying his presence in that kindergarden on 9-11. How dare he read a book about ducks to little kids! Did the parents know what book he was going to read ahead of time? Bullshit, I say.

Well, Bush did not do that so, that straw man is gone. As for Reagan, he went to inspire. IF that is what Obama does then I am OK with that. At this point he has given no one a reason to trust any of his motives so I am skeptical.

I guess we will find out soon huh.
Edited to add, "visiting" A school is different that what he is doing especailly when looked at under the "to do" list pre_given

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Well, Bush did not do that so, that straw man is gone.

Hmm, really? Bush wasn't speaking to a bunch of kids at a school on 9-11? Were those videos faked?

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As for Reagan, he went to inspire. IF that is what Obama does then I am OK with that. At this point he has given no one a reason to trust any of his motives so I am skeptical.

Biased much? He's the fucking President of the United States. I trust his motives just as much as I trusted any other Presidents'. If you don't trust the motives of the highest elected official in the land on something as simple as a speech to children, then I really feel sorry for you.

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Edited to add, "visiting" A school is different that what he is doing especailly when looked at under the "to do" list pre_given

If real time video technology were then what it is today, I have no doubt that previous Presidents would have taken the opportunity to do something similar. The "to-do" list is a suggested lesson plan. If you are as involved in your children's education as you want us to believe, it should not be a foreign concept.

- Dan G

[dsandreas 0]

You really don't see a difference in a President visiting a few hundred kids in one school and the President speaking to millions of kids when they are required to be in school? The prep work suggests he will indeed be pushing an agenda.

Certainly I don't trust Obama's motives. He is an elected official...not a king. He has broken the trust as far as I am concerned. Read the polls...I am not alone.

Most people won't like their kids being sold a bill of goods...watch his poll numbers tank further a few days after the event.

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In all seriousness. If I had a kid is school today, I would either be there or pull my kid unless I knew before hand what the topic was.

Wow. Talk about paranoia. Just . . . wow.

Quade, do you have any kids?
I think it's ok to be a touch paranoid about your kids. Raising them is the most important responsibility you've got.
I'm curious to see if my daughter's pre-school is going to carry this speech. If it does, I'll probably want to sit in on it. I don't think that's particularly paranoid--I'm very interested in everything my kids learn, and more, I think it's my duty as a parent to be interested.

Interested, sure, what the hell. Tune in and have a good time.

Pulling their kids out of school because they're afraid of what the President of the United States might say?

Sorry that IS paranoia.

In fact, it goes beyond paranoia and well into some sort of delusion that whatever he could say in 30 minutes is somehow going to negate and usurp the parents' ability to ever control their children again. Like suddenly he's going to pull out one of those cartoon hypnotist wheels and turn them all into liberal, fornicating, aborting, homosexual, gun grabbing zombies.

That's just fuckin' nuts.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[TomAiello 26]

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I trust his motives just as much as I trusted any other Presidents'.

Me too. And as much as I trust any other politician's motives. Which is to say, not at all.

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If you don't trust the motives of the highest elected official in the land on something as simple as a speech to children, then I really feel sorry for you.

Ok. Feel sorry for me, then.

I think it's silly to assume that someone's motives can be trusted when they haven't demonstrated that.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[cliffwhite 0]

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Dsandreas, how do you like the "bill of goods " you were sold on 9-11???
Or have you figured it out?

Blues,
Cliff

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[dsandreas 0]

Cliffy....show me a post I have made about 9-11. You won't find one.

I disliked Bush as well as Clinton. I didn't trust either one of them.

That being said...Obama is much, much worse than either of them. You can always tell when he (or his teleprompter) is lying....his lips are moving.

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Well, Bush did not do that so, that straw man is gone.

Hmm, really? Bush wasn't speaking to a bunch of kids at a school on 9-11? Were those videos faked?Straw man yet again. Obama is speaking to ALL public school kids on the same day at the same time. No difference to you?

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As for Reagan, he went to inspire. IF that is what Obama does then I am OK with that. At this point he has given no one a reason to trust any of his motives so I am skeptical.

Biased much? He's the fucking President of the United States. I trust his motives just as much as I trusted any other Presidents'. If you don't trust the motives of the highest elected official in the land on something as simple as a speech to children, then I really feel sorry for you.Feel sorry for yourself. You pitty is not needed or even cared about. But, back to the point, if his address is to motivate I will not have a problem with it.

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Edited to add, "visiting" A school is different that what he is doing especailly when looked at under the "to do" list pre_given

If real time video technology were then what it is today, I have no doubt that previous Presidents would have taken the opportunity to do something similar. The "to-do" list is a suggested lesson plan. If you are as involved in your children's education as you want us to believe, it should not be a foreign concept.

My last son gratuated last spring. I use the tech you mention from time to time at work so I do understand it. YOU however refuse to see the point I make. And to points I have already made.

Just a day or two and we will all see. I still have had no one take my bet. How about YOU??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[cliffwhite 0]

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Cliffy....show me a post I have made about 9-11. You won't find one.

I disliked Bush as well as Clinton. I didn't trust either one of them.

That being said...Obama is much, much worse than either of them. You can always tell when he (or his teleprompter) is lying....his lips are moving.

Bush/Clinton what are we looking at like 20 + years you didn't like the government and you apparently dislike the current administration.

Whatcha gonna do about it?

You tried sweatin em out
You tried scrubbin em out
You tried bleachin em out but after twenty four years or so you just can't get a government that works for the American people!
Think the deck may be stacked against us?
Think it just might be time for a revolution?

You in?
Or are you willing to just keep on marchin to the rigged ballot box?

Man or mouse?

Blues,
Cliff

2muchTruth

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Betcha he brings up healthcare...

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[DanG 1]

No one will take your bet because the bet was, "I'll bet what he says is controversial" (paraphrasing)

Of course in your mind it will be controversial. Everything he does to paranoid dead-enders is controversial. If he sat there are read Dr. Suess you'd find something controversial. For fucks sake if he read the goddamn phone book you'd say it was controversial.

Listen to yourself. You have nothing to say except, "Obama bad"

- Dan G

[TomAiello 26]

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Everything he does to paranoid dead-enders is controversial.

Why are you trying to stereotype anyone who opposes the President's legislative agenda as a "paranoid dead-ender"?

Wouldn't it be more productive to actually discuss the issues? Or has that failed and now you are falling back to name calling?

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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