dreamdancer 0 #1 August 31, 2009 tricky - hate speech vs censorship... Quote“Let’s see out the Fuhrer’s dream/To break the back of the eternal jew/Rid the world of the evil we’ve seen/Make it safe for me and you.” -- From “Under the Hammer” by Brutal Attack “When the battle is over and the victory is won/And the White man’s lands are owned by true white people/the traitors will all be gone.” -- From “White Warriors” by Skrewdriver If you thought such unabashedly bigoted music was available only from underground sources, you’d be wrong. With a few clicks at Apple’s iTunes website, Internet users can buy albums and songs from white supremacist groups such as Bully Boys, Final War, Stormtroop 16 and H8Machine. But what has one iTunes customer particularly incensed is that the website has apparently removed homophobic songs by reggae artists, but left the white supremacist music. Galen Andrews, who lives outside Des Moines, Iowa, told Hatewatch that he thinks all hate music should be pulled from iTunes. “It made me sick,” he said of the white supremacist music. “I think it’s irresponsible of iTunes to offer that kind of music. I don’t like the fact that they’re selling racism for profit.” Among the anti-gay songs no longer available on iTunes are Buju Banton’s “Boom Bye-Bye” and T.O.K.’s “Chi-Chi Man,” Andrews said. ITunes, which bills itself as “the world’s most popular digital media player,” did not respond to several phones messages and E-mails seeking comment. However, it’s not the only mainstream music distributor selling racist and offensive tracks. http://www.alternet.org/story/142311/why_is_itunes_selling_white_supremacy/stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 August 31, 2009 Now we can look forward to various posts of hate music written and performed by people of all backgrounds (politics and races - this junk and certain rap offerings come to mind) and start the who's worse than the other posts. I think that under the guise of 'free speech' and 'art' () there is a LOT of dispicable messages that are put out there. 1 mechanism - we respond by not buying any of this trash - then iTunes will make the better business decision to delete all offerings of this type. a good method 2nd mechanism - if people of conscience protest and write iTunes about it, then maybe they'll pull the music from their offerings anyway. another good method 3rd method - the only solution we have to avoid is the government getting involved. terrible response does this take a non-topic and give it somewhere to go? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #3 August 31, 2009 Quotedoes this take a non-topic and give it somewhere to go?No, I think you made all the necessary points quite adequately. Now all we need is some pontificating on whether it's frogs or toads that make the most reptilist/genderist music, and whether reptilism or genderism is worse, and whether it matters. Then we can digress on to whether Clinton did it first, and whether Bush sent them to be cannon fodder in Iraq. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 August 31, 2009 Quote Now we can look forward to various posts of hate music written and performed by people of all backgrounds (politics and races - this junk and certain rap offerings come to mind) and start the who's worse than the other posts. I think that under the guise of 'free speech' and 'art' () there is a LOT of dispicable messages that are put out there. 1 mechanism - we respond by not buying any of this trash - then iTunes will make the better business decision to delete all offerings of this type. a good method 2nd mechanism - if people of conscience protest and write iTunes about it, then maybe they'll pull the music from their offerings anyway. another good method 3rd method - the only solution we have to avoid is the government getting involved. terrible response does this take a non-topic and give it somewhere to go? enough said +1"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #5 August 31, 2009 QuoteThen we can digress on to whether Clinton did it first, and whether Bush sent them to be cannon fodder in Iraq. Actually, Clinton wrote the lyrics first, but then Bush tried to rewrite them and screwed it up so bad that Obama is now writing hate-music in order to fix up the rhymes that Bush messed up so bad. In the end, we'll all get free music from the government, but it'll only be broken xylophone music because we can't afford the symphony stuff anymore. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #6 August 31, 2009 Quote Now we can look forward to various posts of hate music written and performed by people of all backgrounds (politics and races - this junk and certain rap offerings come to mind) and start the who's worse than the other posts. I think that under the guise of 'free speech' and 'art' () there is a LOT of dispicable messages that are put out there. 1 mechanism - we respond by not buying any of this trash - then iTunes will make the better business decision to delete all offerings of this type. a good method 2nd mechanism - if people of conscience protest and write iTunes about it, then maybe they'll pull the music from their offerings anyway. another good method 3rd method - the only solution we have to avoid is the government getting involved. terrible response does this take a non-topic and give it somewhere to go? racism isn't a non-topic stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #7 August 31, 2009 Quote Quote does this take a non-topic and give it somewhere to go? No, I think you made all the necessary points quite adequately.. you're easily satisfied stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #8 August 31, 2009 QuoteThen we can digress on to whether Clinton did it first, and whether Bush sent them to be cannon fodder in Iraq. I'm prefering the current resurgence of HDIF (Hitler did it first). - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #9 August 31, 2009 Quote racism isn't a non-topic agreed, but this thread isn't about racism, it's about you race baiting ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #10 August 31, 2009 Quote Quote racism isn't a non-topic agreed, but this thread isn't about racism, it's about you race baiting so you're saying the lyrics aren't racist?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #11 August 31, 2009 Quotetricky - hate speech vs censorship... There's no trick. If one believes in censorship, then there is no issue. If one believes in free speech then there is no issue. However, there is the "private" versus "public" issue. If a government stepped in a said that the music shoul dbe banned from ecommerce, I'd have a serious problem with it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #12 August 31, 2009 Quote Quote tricky - hate speech vs censorship... There's no trick. If one believes in censorship, then there is no issue. If one believes in free speech then there is no issue. However, there is the "private" versus "public" issue. If a government stepped in a said that the music shoul dbe banned from ecommerce, I'd have a serious problem with it. but you agree that the lyrics are racist stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #13 August 31, 2009 Everyone who understands English knows the lyrics are racist. Some sick individuals think they are appropriate, the rest of us don't. However, I don't think "inappropriate" is grounds to ban things. QuoteEnhance your calm, John Spartan. What's your point? Are you claiming ITunes is racist? All kinds of disgusting things are legal and available through major publishers and dealers.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #14 August 31, 2009 Quote but you agree that the lyrics are racist Absolutely. I thought that "The Day the Niggaz Took Over" by Dr. Dre was racist - about going to "rob and mob and break the white man off something lovely." And plenty of lyrics from all sides are racist against all races. And I'm glad that shit is out there because it means that people can express themselves freely. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #15 September 1, 2009 Quote but you agree that the lyrics are racist Isn't Uncle Tom's Cabin? You wouldn't find a single piece of lyrics which wouldn't offend at least someone on this planet.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #16 September 1, 2009 ya know, there is "bet" - black entertainment television. there is mrs black usa. there is mrs mexican competitions. and others, maybe you get the idea here. and no, I will not use the bullshit politically correct versions for the names of the competitions. lets get together and have "wet" white entertainment television - lets have mrs white usa- the minorities would freak and lawsuits would fly... who gives a shit about this music, you dont like, dont buy but dont tell others what they can listen to. RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #17 September 1, 2009 Quote Quote but you agree that the lyrics are racist Absolutely. I thought that "The Day the Niggaz Took Over" by Dr. Dre was racist - about going to "rob and mob and break the white man off something lovely." And plenty of lyrics from all sides are racist against all races. And I'm glad that shit is out there because it means that people can express themselves freely. you think the homophobic lyrics should go back up?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #18 September 1, 2009 Quote lets get together and have "wet" white entertainment television. uuhh, that's what is on everyday (i liked friends too)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #19 September 1, 2009 (i liked friends too)*** so did I... dont tell anyone Roy They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #20 September 1, 2009 There has been a debate, in some communities, regarding removal of radical Islamist videos from youtube, which does go to the issue of free speech versus censorship that I personally – owned very much as mine- find more interesting. (Yes, iTunes is not youtube and radical Islamist videos aren’t the same … but it’s more interesting to me. ) Fox News story: “YouTube Yanks Radical Islamist Videos After Lieberman's Complaint .” These aren’t beheading, etc videos, which were already removed. On one side are the folks who argue that the videos should be removed because youtube becomes a means for propaganda and recruiting by radical Islamists/global salafists. There is at least one private citizens group, of which I am aware, that actively monitors for videos they find offensive and alerts youtube. When youtube removes the videos, many reappear within hours or days with different titles. On the other side, are those who want the videos to remain up for various reasons, including but not limited to free speech. One reason is to see who makes comments and use it for gathering information on terrorist groups and supporters. I recognize that ICT enables capabilities by radical Islamists/global Salafists of which previous terrorists and terrorist-sympathizing groups could not have dreamed. Particularly as it has enabled them to define, create, and propagate their own image among potential tacit supporters globally. Perhaps that's not the direction you imagined (or maybe it is ) that the thread might go ... but it is somewhere. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 September 1, 2009 Quote Quote Quote racism isn't a non-topic agreed, but this thread isn't about racism, it's about you race baiting so you're saying the lyrics aren't racist? sure they are - can't you tell? If so, trust me, they are racist. I didn't know it was such a simple minded thread. I thought this was a thread about what's acceptable ways to address the problem. Not just whether we all agree that the lyrics quoted are in bad taste. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 September 1, 2009 I think you're pointing out an example of what I thought was the 2nd method of response - which I thought was acceptable. what I can't tell from your post is whether any of the "sides" in your post is helped or hindered by government policy or law that is targetted to help or hinder - that's where I'd believe the gov would be crossing the line for a commercial industry. If youtube has a private policy, then that's their business - whether I agree with it or not. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #23 September 1, 2009 QuoteI think you're pointing out an example of what I thought was the 2nd method of response - which I thought was acceptable. Re-reading, yes, those who advocate removal would seem to fall under your 2nd category. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #24 September 1, 2009 QuoteQuoteI think you're pointing out an example of what I thought was the 2nd method of response - which I thought was acceptable. Re-reading, yes, those who advocate removal would seem to fall under your 2nd category. /Marg I think so. It looks like they are taking private action with the company, rather than forcing legislation through government. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyChimp 0 #25 September 2, 2009 Why does Amazon.com sell "A Taste of Power: A Black Woman's Story" advocating the black panther movement???? Who cares?!?!?! Everyone is so secret sensative these days...... Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
