GeorgiaDon 407 #26 August 25, 2009 QuoteWhat was the murder resolution rate before the cameras? I'm betting it was also about 70%. In other words, the cameras won't have really improved anything about murderers getting caught. Could be, I don't have any data about that. My point was more that the article had three different numbers, and the most negative one was chosen for the headline, because it was the most sensational or perhaps reflected the politics of the writer. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dks13827 3 #27 August 26, 2009 Well, I 'feel good' !! Thank you, government. Baa Baa Baa !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #28 August 26, 2009 Quote Moving the same number of crimes around to different places doesn't really help anything. Disagree. If you have a set number of police to patrol a given area and you decrease the number of places within that area where crimes can occur, you have ffectively increased the concentration of police in the areas that aren't monitored by cameras. Though I'm still not entirely sold on the concept of the state-run CCTVs due to civil liberties issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #29 August 26, 2009 QuoteIf you have a set number of police to patrol a given area and you decrease the number of places within that area where crimes can occur, you have ffectively increased the concentration of police in the areas that aren't monitored by cameras. It isn't working. Britain's drug and gun culture "as bad as U.S." "A collapse of 'civilised life' has allowed a brutal drug and gun crime culture like that of the U.S. TV show The Wire to flourish on the streets of Britain, the Tories will warn today. Since Labour came to power, he will say, the level of violent crime in Britain has risen by 70 per cent. Gun crime is up by more than half and there are more than 100 serious knife crimes each day, with fatal stabbings having reached the highest level on record..."Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208782/Britains-drug-gun-culture-bad-U-S-crime-The-Wire-say-Tories.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 689 #30 August 26, 2009 Quote All of that money, all of that intrusion into person's privacy and only 1 crime per 1000. Wow, that's really "worked." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/8219022.stm As with everything stories have bias. I do not like camera's and even the stupid twats who broke into our offices a couple of years ago covered their faces so the CCTV was useless. But London and the UK motorways have an extensive network of camera's that are continuously monitored and from watching BBC traffic police and crime documentaries I can see that they are used alot, and with much success. For example at pub and club closing times they despatch officers to potential situations so they diffuse situations BEFORE they become crimes. I would guess that the cost of a CCTV operator is cheaper than a bobbie or two on every corner (although with rising unemployment that would be better than sitting on benefits) As for the persons comment about displacing crime - you've got to be kidding me, we are so swamped with CCTV the only crime that could be on the increase out of view of camera's is sheep being sodomised in WalesPersonal experiences with CCTV: 1) Office crime - fail 2) Sales rep visiting who collided with a staff members car and left without saying a word - success 3) Delivery driver who reversed into my brand new BMW and then claimed that wife drove into him - successExperienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #31 August 26, 2009 On the, erm, plus side, at least it's allowed more cheap TV programmes to be made. Our already dumbed-down schedules are now further clogged up with shows based on CCTV footage. So now not only are 'they' watching us - we have to put up with watching ourselves being watched by them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 689 #32 August 26, 2009 Quote On the, erm, plus side, at least it's allowed more cheap TV programmes to be made. Our already dumbed-down schedules are now further clogged up with shows based on CCTV footage. So now not only are 'they' watching us - we have to put up with watching ourselves being watched by them. So should the CCTV network get part of the licence feeExperienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites