mnealtx 0 #1 August 22, 2009 Clicky QuoteThe Justice Department recently questioned military defense attorneys at Guantanamo Bay about whether photographs of CIA personnel, including covert officers, were unlawfully provided to detainees charged with organizing the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to sources familiar with the investigation. QuoteThe photos were taken by researchers hired by the John Adams Project, a joint effort of the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, to support military counsel at Guantanamo Bay, according to the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the inquiry. It was unclear whether the Justice Department is also examining those organizations. Of course, I'm *SURE* there will be an outcry from the Left for the IMMEDIATE prosecution of those John Adams Project / ACLU / NACDL personnel responsible for exposing the identities of secret agents.... right? Right? *crickets*Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #2 August 22, 2009 The amount of hatered between the American 'left' and the Republicans is just amazing to an outsider. I wouldn't be suprised if the next big civil war was in the USA. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #3 August 22, 2009 Quote The amount of hatered between the American 'left' and the Republicans is just amazing to an outsider. I wouldn't be suprised if the next big civil war was in the USA. I believe it would be better expressed as hatred between American Liberals and American Conservatives. Most of the Conservatives that I have spoken with have resigned from the Republican Party, me included, and are registered Independent. Independents are yearning for government. They are fed up with politics.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #4 August 22, 2009 OK, Ron, you're going to have to explain to me the termanology. In the UK we have a different meaning for all these words (Heance the laugh icon) In the UK: Conservative = Member or supporter of the Conservative party, which is pretty much centre right. Liberal = Member or supporter of the Liberal party which is a centre party. Left = Well supposedly we have a Labour party that is left but in fact its centre left. on the far left is the socialist party and then the communists. On the far right is the BNP. From the outside your Liberals don't seem particuarly far left, maybe because your Republican party seem so far right wing. So how would you describe the terms that you have used?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #5 August 22, 2009 QuoteOK, Ron, you're going to have to explain to me the termanology. In the UK we have a different meaning for all these words (Heance the laugh icon) In the UK: Conservative = Member or supporter of the Conservative party, which is pretty much centre right.QuoteI agree. Liberal = Member or supporter of the Liberal party which is a centre party. Left = Well supposedly we have a Labour party that is left but in fact its centre left.QuoteI call these folks the Liberals. on the far left is the socialist party and then the communists.QuoteI agree here and believe BHO is taking us in that direction. On the far right is the BNP. QuoteI am uncertain here but, I think of our far right as the violent "skinheads," white supremacists. From the outside your Liberals don't seem particuarly far left, maybe because your Republican party seem so far right wing. So how would you describe the terms that you have used? I believe our Democrats and Republicans are left of center. The Democrats are further left. I consider myself a right of center conservative Independent but not a white supremacist. I hope that makes sense.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #6 August 22, 2009 Quoteconsider myself a right of center conservative Independent but not a white supremacist. I hope that makes sense. Why does race have to enter into it at all? That's playing into the hands of the left. There are those of us who believe that government has no duty but to protect the rights of the individual, and there are those who want/need government involved in every aspect of their lives, or are at least OK with it because they believe it is more "compassionate." I suppose there is some room in the centre but not much. Skyrad is right in that the next civil war here will be fought for the same reason as the Revolutionary War. And Mike you're right. The silence is deafening. And it's MUCH more dangerous for these guys than some chick walking in and out of the front gate of the CIA every day.The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,647 #7 August 22, 2009 Interestingly enough, I would also consider myself to be an independent, where you would consider me to be a Democrat. You mentioned in another post that the whole of America seems to be moving to the left. That's a whole lot of people. If I'm at a stoplight and notice that every other car is moving backwards, I generally check my foot on the pedal -- it's probably I who is moving forwards. Ronald Reagan had views that were very opposed to what some of the conservatives hold true now; I'm not sure he'd be accepted, because one thing he didn't do was pander a lot. The big shift I see is the stronger and stronger delineation of divisions among people; this is done specifically to get a "you're with us or you're against us" type of mentality going, and it's very, very destructive. Your description of socialists as being as far left as the violent skinheads are to the right seems to be another indication that your "center" might be kind of right of many other people's. Because if it takes violence on the one side, shouldn't the defining point of the fringe left also be the willingness to be violent? I don't see socialists that way; they want to work within the system, and that't not fringe. I disagree with them, but at least they trust the system. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #8 August 22, 2009 Quote Quoteconsider myself a right of center conservative Independent but not a white supremacist. I hope that makes sense. Why does race have to enter into it at all? That's playing into the hands of the left. There are those of us who believe that government has no duty but to protect the rights of the individual, and there are those who want/need government involved in every aspect of their lives, or are at least OK with it because they believe it is more "compassionate." I suppose there is some room in the centre but not much. Skyrad is right in that the next civil war here will be fought for the same reason as the Revolutionary War. And Mike you're right. The silence is deafening. And it's MUCH more dangerous for these guys than some chick walking in and out of the front gate of the CIA every day. I don't know another label for the extreme far right.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #9 August 22, 2009 Quote Your description of socialists as being as far left as the violent skinheads are to the right seems to be another indication that your "center" might be kind of right of many other people's. Because if it takes violence on the one side, shouldn't the defining point of the fringe left also be the willingness to be violent? I don't see socialists that way; they want to work within the system, and that't not fringe. I disagree with them, but at least they trust the system. Wendy P. I agree my center would be to the right of others. I don't like the wussification movement that the nanny state mentality has produced. Furthermore, as socialism, supporting the system, expands I fear violence will be forthcoming.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #10 August 22, 2009 Quote QuoteI consider myself a right of center conservative Independent but not a white supremacist. I hope that makes sense. Why does race have to enter into it at all? That non-sequitur jumped out at me, too. While it might be the case that racists often consider themselves to be politically conservative, it is not the case that most people who are politically conservative are also racist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #11 August 22, 2009 Quoteon the far left is the socialist party and then the communists. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree here and believe BHO is taking us in that direction. Thanks for your response.... But are you really serious with the comment above???When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #12 August 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteon the far left is the socialist party and then the communists. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree here and believe BHO is taking us in that direction. Thanks for your response.... But are you really serious with the comment above??? Yes and, I'm worried.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TankBuster 0 #13 August 23, 2009 QuoteBecause if it takes violence on the one side, shouldn't the defining point of the fringe left also be the willingness to be violent? I don't see socialists that way; they want to work within the system, and that't not fringe. I disagree with them, but at least they trust the system. It absolutely does require violence to enforce socialism. Is large scale institutional violence any better than that of small groups or individuals with opposing views?The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #14 August 24, 2009 Quote The amount of hatered between the American 'left' and the Republicans is just amazing to an outsider. I wouldn't be suprised if the next big civil war was in the USA. war... let's see... conservatives with guns, liberals have none because personal gun ownership is wrong... short war.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #15 August 24, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteon the far left is the socialist party and then the communists. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree here and believe BHO is taking us in that direction. Thanks for your response.... But are you really serious with the comment above??? Yes and, I'm worried. Why do you believe that BHO is taking the USA into a communist state? I can hardly believe that you are being serious. Also as a US conservative what do you believe thats different to a Republican?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #16 August 24, 2009 Quote Why do you believe that BHO is taking the USA into a communist state? I can hardly believe that you are being serious. Also as a US conservative what do you believe thats different to a Republican? Right now I see socialism more than communism, with the government takeover of business and banking and, his redistribution of wealth philosophy. BHO is not interested in the U.S. being a leader in the world. He wants us to be as miserable as the others. Try not to polarize that statement but think of it on a continuum sliding down and to the left. Conservative to me, is less government more free capitalism. This ideal used to be a definition of the Republican Party. I don't see it anymore. Politics as usual, in both parties, establishes an intellectual elite that is not representative of a republic. We are supposed to be a republic.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #17 August 24, 2009 Surely a republic is simply a state without a monarch. Taking a stance where one is anti elitist sounds more like a socialist view point. What is your veiw on Socialism? and on what do you base it?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #18 August 24, 2009 QuoteSurely a republic is simply a state without a monarch. Taking a stance where one is anti elitist sounds more like a socialist view point. What is your veiw on Socialism? and on what do you base it? The USA Republic is supposed to be a representative government. The "intellectual elite" is a adjective term to describe those politicians and media personnel that believe they are more intellectually equipped and capable to know what is best for the majority, regardless of what the majority expresses. My view of socialism is a system where individual incentive to achieve more than your parents and your neighbors has been taken away by the government. Those who put forth less effort are entitled to the same share as those who put forth more effort. Consequently, no reason for the individual to put forth more. What do I base my belief on? Growing up in America and being taught by the "Greatest Generation." BTW, my family heritage is Scotch, Irish and English. My last name came from my grandmother's second marriage not the blood line.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #19 August 24, 2009 Quote My last name came from my grandmother's second marriage not the blood line D1120? What origin might that be? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #20 August 24, 2009 Quote Quote My last name came from my grandmother's second marriage not the blood line D1120? What origin might that be? United States Parachute Association nee Parachute Club of America, 1965.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
