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QuoteThe priest and four nuns have been charged with imprisonment causing death. Police spokeswoman Michaela Straub said: "They all said she was possessed and they were trying to cast out the evil spirits." USA Today reports that Father Daniel said: "Over there, in your world, the people must know that the devil exists. Personally I can find his work in the gestures and speech of possessed people, because man is often weak and lets himself be easily manipulated by the forces of evil. I don't understand why journalists are making such a fuss about this. Exorcism is a common practice in the heart of the Romanian Orthodox church and my methods are not at all unknown to other priests,' Father Daniel added."
i found that passage very interesting, didnt you also speak about the weak man and the forces of evil!? they use priests tough, not someone "grounded in scripture"..
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
jclalor 12
Is it possable I am not one of God's selected?
What is that suppose to mean? What god?
Therre are over 2,500 gods that have been known to exsist and the vast majority are now relicated to a forgotten grave and will never again to be worshipped.
If your god is all powerfull and mercifull, How do you explain the suffering in the world? I work with medically devasted children and I can tell you that there are no miracles here. The power of prayer? Show me one amputaed limb grown back thru prayer, Christians wont even pray for that because they know there is zero chance. Sure they will pray for cancers and bad backs to go away because every now and then they do just that and go away on thier own, and then they chalk it up to God. Even if there was a God, I would want no part of him. Any God capable of doing or even allowing to happen to children the things I have seen done , I want nothing to do with him.
What is that suppose to mean? What god?
Therre are over 2,500 gods that have been known to exsist and the vast majority are now relicated to a forgotten grave and will never again to be worshipped.
If your god is all powerfull and mercifull, How do you explain the suffering in the world? I work with medically devasted children and I can tell you that there are no miracles here. The power of prayer? Show me one amputaed limb grown back thru prayer, Christians wont even pray for that because they know there is zero chance. Sure they will pray for cancers and bad backs to go away because every now and then they do just that and go away on thier own, and then they chalk it up to God. Even if there was a God, I would want no part of him. Any God capable of doing or even allowing to happen to children the things I have seen done , I want nothing to do with him.
RonD1120 62
QuoteQuoteThe priest and four nuns have been charged with imprisonment causing death. Police spokeswoman Michaela Straub said: "They all said she was possessed and they were trying to cast out the evil spirits." USA Today reports that Father Daniel said: "Over there, in your world, the people must know that the devil exists. Personally I can find his work in the gestures and speech of possessed people, because man is often weak and lets himself be easily manipulated by the forces of evil. I don't understand why journalists are making such a fuss about this. Exorcism is a common practice in the heart of the Romanian Orthodox church and my methods are not at all unknown to other priests,' Father Daniel added."
i found that passage very interesting, didnt you also speak about the weak man and the forces of evil!? they use priests tough, not someone "grounded in scripture"..
I have no knowledge of the Romanian Orthodox Church. We can only judge the fruit.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
JackC 0
QuoteIt was the first thing that popped into my mind. It is a counseling technique from Glasser's, "Reality Therapy." When someone is being absurd, be more absurd.
You believe that god came to earth in human form and sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so he wouldn't have to throw his creation into the eternal hell fires which he created, for the sole purpose of tormenting (for ever and ever) those creations who find the whole concept "a bit unbelievable" and that despite gods obvious use of extortion with the threat of everlasting torture unless the required brown nosing is observed, that he actually loves us.
Now that is absurd!
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe priest and four nuns have been charged with imprisonment causing death. Police spokeswoman Michaela Straub said: "They all said she was possessed and they were trying to cast out the evil spirits." USA Today reports that Father Daniel said: "Over there, in your world, the people must know that the devil exists. Personally I can find his work in the gestures and speech of possessed people, because man is often weak and lets himself be easily manipulated by the forces of evil. I don't understand why journalists are making such a fuss about this. Exorcism is a common practice in the heart of the Romanian Orthodox church and my methods are not at all unknown to other priests,' Father Daniel added."
i found that passage very interesting, didnt you also speak about the weak man and the forces of evil!? they use priests tough, not someone "grounded in scripture"..
I have no knowledge of the Romanian Orthodox Church. We can only judge the fruit.
its not the only example i've mentioned, yet, you're evading the question again..
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
QuoteQuoteIt was the first thing that popped into my mind. It is a counseling technique from Glasser's, "Reality Therapy." When someone is being absurd, be more absurd.
You believe that god came to earth in human form and sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so he wouldn't have to throw his creation into the eternal hell fires which he created, for the sole purpose of tormenting (for ever and ever) those creations who find the whole concept "a bit unbelievable" and that despite gods obvious use of extortion with the threat of everlasting torture unless the required brown nosing is observed, that he actually loves us.
Now that is absurd!
its not absurd to believe in the flying spaghetti monster tough, please, its on the INTERNET, it must be true!
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
RonD1120 62
QuoteIs it possable I am not one of God's selected?
What is that suppose to mean? What god?
Therre are over 2,500 gods that have been known to exsist and the vast majority are now relicated to a forgotten grave and will never again to be worshipped.
If your god is all powerfull and mercifull, How do you explain the suffering in the world? I work with medically devasted children and I can tell you that there are no miracles here. The power of prayer? Show me one amputaed limb grown back thru prayer, Christians wont even pray for that because they know there is zero chance. Sure they will pray for cancers and bad backs to go away because every now and then they do just that and go away on thier own, and then they chalk it up to God. Even if there was a God, I would want no part of him. Any God capable of doing or even allowing to happen to children the things I have seen done , I want nothing to do with him.
You have a tough job and I admire your desire in work with that population. It is difficult to see the good but good exists. There are two forces at work in the world, one is good and one is evil.
I believe we are in the final stages of the conflict. In the end there will be a new world without evil. Please don't ask me when.
To deny God does not make evil go away. To accept His plan will provide an understanding.
You are the first one to pick up on my signature tag. I think the Holy Spirit is tugging at your heart.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
RonD1120 62
QuoteQuoteIt was the first thing that popped into my mind. It is a counseling technique from Glasser's, "Reality Therapy." When someone is being absurd, be more absurd.
You believe that god came to earth in human form and sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so he wouldn't have to throw his creation into the eternal hell fires which he created, for the sole purpose of tormenting (for ever and ever) those creations who find the whole concept "a bit unbelievable" and that despite gods obvious use of extortion with the threat of everlasting torture unless the required brown nosing is observed, that he actually loves us.
Now that is absurd!
No, I don't believe that at all.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
RonD1120 62
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I have no knowledge of the Romanian Orthodox Church. We can only judge the fruit.
its not the only example i've mentioned, yet, you're evading the question again..
I answered your question and gave you two Scripture references.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
yea, those doomsday-scenarios are one of the signs of sects.. the world has lasted for billions of years, and it will continue to do so.. humanity might be extinct, probably coz some religious nutter couldnt wait for the "end time" to come fast enough and pushed the red button..
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
RonD1120 62
Here's another reference. Does it sound like skydivers?
How about this one?
Do these references give you any indication as to what is going on?
QuoteEphesians 2:1...who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
How about this one?
QuoteEphesians 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[c] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Do these references give you any indication as to what is going on?
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
yea, mental issues have been going around for a long time i suppose, doesnt make them truer tough. maybe he should get rumsfeld into his department of defense, wouldnt take that long to plan an attack then..
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
JackC 0
QuoteYou believe that god came to earth in human form and sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so he wouldn't have to throw his creation into the eternal hell fires which he created, for the sole purpose of tormenting (for ever and ever) those creations who find the whole concept "a bit unbelievable" and that despite gods obvious use of extortion with the threat of everlasting torture unless the required brown nosing is observed, that he actually loves us.
Now that is absurd!
No, I don't believe that at all.
Sure you do. You just don't like the way I've worded it because it sounds absurd.
You believe god created everything don't you?
You believe Jesus is the son of God don't you?
You believe Jesus paid the price of sin don't you?
You believe god doesn't forgive those who reject jesus don't you?
You believe that hell is eternal and is where those who reject jesus go don't you?
You believe god loves you don't you?
So exactly which bit don't you believe?
Andy9o8 2
QuoteDemonic possession is real; demonic spiritual influence is real.
Is not.
RonD1120 62
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Sure you do. You just don't like the way I've worded it because it sounds absurd.
You believe god created everything don't you?
You believe Jesus is the son of God don't you?
You believe Jesus paid the price of sin don't you?
You believe god doesn't forgive those who reject jesus don't you?
You believe that hell is eternal and is where those who reject jesus go don't you?
You believe god loves you don't you?
So exactly which bit don't you believe?
Touche'
Stated that way I do believe it.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
RonD1120 62
QuoteQuoteDemonic possession is real; demonic spiritual influence is real.
Is not.
You are too much. I've....
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
RonD1120 62
Quoteyea, mental issues have been going around for a long time i suppose, doesnt make them truer tough. maybe he should get rumsfeld into his department of defense, wouldnt take that long to plan an attack then..
Note: You keep misspelling "though" as "tough." Am I missing something there?
The plan has already been formed.
QuoteEphesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[c] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints— 19 and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
DanG 1
QuoteI'm sure that the Muslims in the middle east would love
that one. They have such a vast sense of humor
about religion and would love to hear how they share
a religious affiliation with the Christians.
Um, the Muslims in Afghanistan had no problem with the idea. Hell, they'd remind me of it. And I'm an atheist.
I think you're believing the movie stereotype of the typical Muslim a little too much.
Muslims believe Jesus was a phophet, just not the Son of God, and not a phophet of equal stature as Mohammad. They have no problem with Jesus and his teachings, they just think that Mohammad's teachings, coming later, trump the earlier ideas. They have roughly the same relationship to Christianity as Christianity has to Judaism. Think this way: Judaism -> Christianity -> Islam
Of course the terrorists who use Islam to further their political goals have a different story, but for the average Muslim on the street, that's the way it works.
- Dan G
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Um, the Muslims in Afghanistan had no problem with the idea. Hell, they'd remind me of it. And I'm an atheist.
I think you're believing the movie stereotype of the typical Muslim a little too much.
Muslims believe Jesus was a phophet, just not the Son of God, and not a phophet of equal stature as Mohammad. They have no problem with Jesus and his teachings, they just think that Mohammad's teachings, coming later, trump the earlier ideas. They have roughly the same relationship to Christianity as Christianity has to Judaism. Think this way: Judaism -> Christianity -> Islam
Of course the terrorists who use Islam to further their political goals have a different story, but for the average Muslim on the street, that's the way it works.
Thank you for that insight. I've worked with some Muslims but in our environment we all remained silent. You are correct, the only thing I see is the TV terrorist concept.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
I could be wrong, but I don't think the Muslims believe that Mohammad's teachings trump earlier teachings. Rather, they believe that the word of God as passed to earlier prophets was corrupted by man as it was written down/passed on. Mohammad took dictation from Allah directly, so the Quran is the perfect word of Allah while the Bible is corrupted by the influence of man.
It's funny, cause I pretty much agree with them other than the whole Quran being perfect part.
It's funny, cause I pretty much agree with them other than the whole Quran being perfect part.
Andy9o8 2
QuoteI could be wrong, but I don't think the Muslims believe that Mohammad's teachings trump earlier teachings. Rather, they believe that the word of God as passed to earlier prophets was corrupted by man as it was written down/passed on. Mohammad took dictation from Allah directly, so the Quran is the perfect word of Allah while the Bible is corrupted by the influence of man.
It's funny, cause I pretty much agree with them other than the whole Quran being perfect part.
You have to appreciate the brilliance of this approach. A criticism of the Bible is that it was written in many languages, by many people, who were transcribing spiritually-inspired accounts told to them by others, and that in turn was being re-translated into successive languages, each time suffering the effects of further replicative fading. The Muslims see this, so they say: "Ah, but not our scriptures. God dictated the Qur'an directly to one man, Muhammad, in the same original Arabic as appears in print today." It's really a very astute pre-emptive defense against anticipatable avenues of criticism.
well, we can continue having this discourse in german if you prefer, i'm much better in my first language as you probably are in english. but thats ok, i see it as your last straw for when i'm attacking your artificial "arguments" and you dont have much to reply to.. thats a rethoric tool used to disengage someone with true (read better) arguments than oneself has..
how many languages do you read, write and speak fluently BTW!?
yet again, i think you should be able to do much better than that, but obviously, you cant. thats quite pathetic, dont you think!?
how many languages do you read, write and speak fluently BTW!?
yet again, i think you should be able to do much better than that, but obviously, you cant. thats quite pathetic, dont you think!?
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
Very true. I even saw it once on a matchbook advertisement:
Learn Excorcism In Your Spare Time. 30 day money-back guarantee. Carrying case included if you mention this ad.
I think it was from Brown Institute.
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