Little girl at Obama town hall has not-so-random political connections
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Andy9o8 3
QuoteFunny thing it was George Bush who saved her ass to spare embarrassment to the emperor.
Nice try. That was Rightie standard-bearer Michelle Malkin's smear-Obama spin on it; but the spin is bullshit.
What actually happened is that, several days before the election, the Bush Administration ordered the INS to submit all potential high-profile deportations (including the half-aunt's) to prior high-level review, apparently to avoid political repercussions. In other words, the Bush administration was worried that if Obama's aunt were deported just days before the election, it would generate sympathy for Obama that would hurt McCain on Election Day. It had nothing at all to do with sparing Obama from any embarrassment (except in the most cynical sense from the standpoint of the Republicans' political interests).
"In other words.......", that's how you see it. I went away with the feeling he actually wanted to spare BHO embarrassment (from a similar article). I guess some of us cannot dare to think opposite of our political views
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turtlespeed 226
QuoteQuoteSo, because I believe something - it is character assassination.
Give me a break; you're deliberately mischaracterizing what I said. I'm not willing to play that game.
My statement was:
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It seems to me that he would have looked at any background check that was done on him and his family and associates. In other words, I believe that the statement that he didn't know anything about her status is false.
Your response was:
QuoteAgain this is just character assassination nonsense. The clear "wink-wink" implication, during the campaign, was not just "knowledge", but that somehow Obama had arranged to have his half-aunt's immigration scofflaw status tolerated. And that's just totally unproven.
I keep telling you guys: the tired, old character assassination techniques that worked against Kerry in 2004 backfired when they were used against Obama in 2008. The result was that millions of swing voters were disgusted by it, and that (among other things) contributed to Obama's win, and McCain's (and the GOP's) loss.
And yet - amazingly! - you're all still at it. So by all means, keep fighting the last election with the techniques that lost it for you in 2008. Works for me. See you in 2012.
Your first line was that "Again this is just character assassination nonsense."
How is what I clearly stated as my belief an assassination of character, OR, how did I misunderstand what you wrote?
I'm not trying to mince words. As a layman, and one that has had to go through background checks and the like, I was stating that it seems HIGHLY unlikely that he didn't know. I knew, only with a classified clearance, whom they talked to, and what was asked, etc. Hence by my own experience, I disbelieve that the potential POTUS with even Higher (read ultimately the HIGHEST) clearance would not be aware.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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So, he lied and he did know, but didn't mention anything to try and protect an aunt and hoped people would not find out.
Do you have a point anywhere?
Do you have a point anywhere?
turtlespeed 226
QuoteSo, he lied and he did know, but didn't mention anything to try and protect an aunt and hoped people would not find out.
Do you have a point anywhere?
Other than showing more and more that he has a propensity to lie? Not really.
More than likely, in my mind, he knew, but thought himself above the task of dealing with it.
Another possibility that comes to mind is that he thought, even though it is illegal, he thought himself so important, he needn't concern himself with such meanial things, and because he is POTUS, should be able to ignore the law.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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QuoteAnother possibility that comes to mind is that he thought, even though it is illegal, he thought himself so important, he needn't concern himself with such meanial things, and because he is POTUS, should be able to ignore the law.
Well he has attempted to break the law twice within the first 6 months of his presidency.
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteOther than showing more and more that he has a propensity to lie? Not really.
I always enjoy the holier than thou crowd.
QuoteMore than likely, in my mind, he knew, but thought himself above the task of dealing with it.
Or maybe, during an election, he was slightly busy and didn't give his half-aunt another thought. Anything is possible really.
Regardless, the issue is so insignificant. I can't believe people bring it up this much later.
turtlespeed 226
QuoteQuoteOther than showing more and more that he has a propensity to lie? Not really.
I always enjoy the holier than thou crowd.QuoteMore than likely, in my mind, he knew, but thought himself above the task of dealing with it.
Or maybe, during an election, he was slightly busy and didn't give his half-aunt another thought. Anything is possible really.
Regardless, the issue is so insignificant. I can't believe people bring it up this much later.
Well, of course not.
He is the one you to which you want to lend your support. If it were McCaine, you would find more issue with it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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QuoteIf it were McCaine, you would find more issue with it.
True, I think he did a great job of lieing, though in the end everybody has a breaking point.
Quite honestly, I don't think I would have really cared about McCain's statement whether or not he had knowledge of the immigration status of his half-aunt.
turtlespeed 226
QuoteQuoteIf it were McCaine, you would find more issue with it.
True, I think he did a great job of lieing, though in the end everybody has a breaking point.
Quite honestly, I don't think I would have really cared about McCain's statement whether or not he had knowledge of the immigration status of his half-aunt.
It's not who it is, the issue is that he lied. I'm just calling him out on it. As I implied, you would have more issue if it were "The other guy."
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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QuoteIt's not who it is, the issue is that he lied.
Why don't you start the calling out with yourself? Or, are you going to tell me you have never told a lie?
turtlespeed 226
QuoteQuoteIt's not who it is, the issue is that he lied.
Why don't you start the calling out with yourself? Or, are you going to tell me you have never told a lie?
I'm not the one held on high as the POTUS.
I'm not sworn into public office.
Unless you are going to start treating me like you would President Obama, your point is mute.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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QuoteQuoteAnother possibility that comes to mind is that he thought, even though it is illegal, he thought himself so important, he needn't concern himself with such meanial things, and because he is POTUS, should be able to ignore the law.
Well he has attempted to break the law twice within the first 6 months of his presidency.![[:/]](//www.dropzone.com/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png "[:/]")
well hell since you put it in bold it MUST be true!
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QuoteQuoteQuoteAnother possibility that comes to mind is that he thought, even though it is illegal, he thought himself so important, he needn't concern himself with such meanial things, and because he is POTUS, should be able to ignore the law.
Well he has attempted to break the law twice within the first 6 months of his presidency.
well hell since you put it in bold it MUST be true!
feel free to prove me wrong
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billvon 3,173
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>well hell since you put it in bold it MUST be true!
Since it was not underlined, in italics or in quotes, it's not 100% certain. Now, if he had done all that, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Since it was not underlined, in italics or in quotes, it's not 100% certain. Now, if he had done all that, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
riddler 0
QuoteSince it was not underlined, in italics or in quotes, it's not 100% certain. Now, if he had done all that, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
NOW I know how to get credibility around here. Thanks, Bill!
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mnealtx 0
you forgot the quotes
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riddler 0
Quoteyou forgot the quotes
I opted for bold instead, since I can hit the three buttons in the SML editor. I'm saving quotes and colors for when I'm really torqued.
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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's not who it is, the issue is that he lied.
Why don't you start the calling out with yourself? Or, are you going to tell me you have never told a lie?
I'm not the one held on high as the POTUS.
I'm not sworn into public office.
Unless you are going to start treating me like you would President Obama, your point is mute.
First you say that it doesn't matter who it is. Now you say it does matter who does the lieing.
My point is that whole trowing of the first stone thing....
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