dreamdancer 0 #1 August 12, 2009 tinfoil hats all round... QuoteLast week, the most senior Republican on the Senate finance committee, Chuck Grassley, took NHS-baiting to a newly emotive level by claiming that his ailing Democratic colleague, Edward Kennedy, would be left to die untreated from a brain tumour in Britain on the grounds that he would be considered too old to deserve treatment. "I don't know for sure," said Grassley. "But I've heard several senators say that Ted Kennedy with a brain tumour, being 77 years old as opposed to being 37 years old, if he were in England, would not be treated for his disease, because end of life – when you get to be 77, your life is considered less valuable under those systems." The degree of misinformation is causing dismay in NHS circles. Andrew Dillon, chief executive of the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice), pointed out that it was utterly false that Kennedy would be left untreated in Britain: "It is neither true nor is it anything you could extrapolate from anything we've ever recommended to the NHS." Others in the US have accused Obama of trying to set up "death panels" to decide who should live and who should die, along the lines of Nice, which determines the cost-effectiveness of NHS drugs. One right-leaning group, Conservatives for Patients' Rights, lists horror stories about British care on its website. An email widely circulated among US voters, of uncertain origin, claims that anyone over 59 in Britain is ineligible for treatment for heart disease. The British embassy in Washington is quietly trying to counter inaccuracies. A spokesman said: "We're keeping a close eye on things and where there's a factually wrong statement, we will take the opportunity to correct people in private. That said, we don't want to get involved in a domestic debate." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/11/nhs-united-states-republican-healthstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lefty 0 #2 August 12, 2009 Man, that tinfoil hats boilerplate is a riot every time. Edit: Sarcasm-identifying icon. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #3 August 12, 2009 QuoteMan, that tinfoil hats boilerplate is a riot every time. It's a 1 liner that just never gets old!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #4 August 12, 2009 lefty, if the hat fits... QuoteWorld-renowned physicist Stephen Hawking, who suffers from Lou Gehrig's disease, has admirably chosen to set the record straight after an inept editorial in a financial paper dragged him into the health care fray. Calling the U.K.'s National Health Service "Orwellian," Investor's Business Daily said the brilliant Hawking "wouldn't have a chance" if he was British. Alas, Hawking - who on Wednesday will receive a Presidential Medal of Freedom as one of 16 "agents of change" - is British. And he says he owes his life to national health care. "I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS." http://www.commondreams.org/further/2009/08/12-1stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #5 August 12, 2009 Quotelefty, if the hat fits... QuoteWorld-renowned physicist Stephen Hawking, who suffers from Lou Gehrig's disease, has admirably chosen to set the record straight after an inept editorial in a financial paper dragged him into the health care fray. Calling the U.K.'s National Health Service "Orwellian," Investor's Business Daily said the brilliant Hawking "wouldn't have a chance" if he was British. Alas, Hawking - who on Wednesday will receive a Presidential Medal of Freedom as one of 16 "agents of change" - is British. And he says he owes his life to national health care. "I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS." http://www.commondreams.org/further/2009/08/12-1 ANother source (Daily Mail): www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1205953/NHS-branded-evil-Orwellian-high-level-US-politicians.html And another (The Guardian) www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/aug/12/birthers-stephen-hawking-paul-rowen Really emphasizes how the LIARS on the right are duping their ignorant acolytes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #6 August 12, 2009 OMG! Is nothing sacred? The National Honor Society????? What is going to become of the hopes of our youth? Think of the children! I knew republicans were against too much book l'arnin', but this just takes the cake Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yourmomma 0 #8 August 13, 2009 Dude, that's nothing. The "canada" health system lines pregnant women up to be beaten in the stomach after the seals have been dispatched. My underage niece deserves at least a rusty coat hanger. Her boyfriend even has 2 parents, and hardly ever fucks a comment by ehhing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #9 August 13, 2009 I find it odd that the same people that were all for starting a war for no good reason are outraged that we want to help our own citizens due to the expense. Socialism, Naziism, etc. all brought up at town hall meetings. Trampling the Constitution, losing our freedoms, blah, blah, blah... It's sad watching the news. We have been so divided as a nation. The same folks accusing Obama of hanging with radicals didn't have a problem with GWB and his PNAC band of merrymen. Did all of this start with Karl Rove's politics? When did we all stop becoming Americans, and instead conservatives or liberals? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #10 August 13, 2009 The stunning stupidity of the argument expounded by Republican hysteria about healthcare is laughable. This latest indignant attitue about the NHS being allegedly ageist is gross hypocracy. They complain that its evil to deny someone who is old healthcare treatment yet support witholding healthcare treatment for the poor! Also its total rubbish, (speaking as someone who spent years working in the NHS) What a sick joke.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
