PLFXpert 0 #26 August 9, 2009 Quote Anyway, what's wrong with my hands!!?? Nothing that I know of; they were just not in the proper position... Quote That's where I believe the problem to your hypothetical question lies. I'm only assuming most people would instinctively save the stranger rather than the pet, See, I tend to think my instinct would be toward my love, my baby (my furry, precious angels). Seeing a panicked, human face, however, might strike my emotion; it would under other circumstances not involving my beloved fur-balls--I always help. So, I don't know. I am a few mango-mimosas into my Saturday evening. I will have to get back to this tomorrow.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #27 August 9, 2009 Depends on whether the pet is registered to vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #28 August 9, 2009 Quote If a situation arose in which you must choose between saving the life of your pet or the life of a stranger, whom would you rescue and why? I would have to think twice about choosing between the life of my dogs vs a stanger. Of course some folks would be worth it. Pls don't PM my dogsOTOH I know what to expect of my neighbors, and some other people I know. I'd save my dogs without thinking twice.One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #29 August 9, 2009 Quote It has been done! Aye, I've heard it said (my folks live in Shawbury) (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #30 August 9, 2009 It would also depend upon proximity too. If in the water (for example)... the animal was closer, I'd probably pull it out first (wouldn't swim past it) ... Likewise, if the person was closer to me, I'd probably puul it out first. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #31 August 9, 2009 Quote Quote Anyway, what's wrong with my hands!!?? Nothing that I know of; they were just not in the proper position... You've lost me on that one! Quote That's where I believe the problem to your hypothetical question lies. I'm only assuming most people would instinctively save the stranger rather than the pet, See, I tend to think my instinct would be toward my love, my baby (my furry, precious angels). Seeing a panicked, human face, however, might strike my emotion; it would under other circumstances not involving my beloved fur-balls--I always help. So, I don't know. I am a few mango-mimosas into my Saturday evening. I will have to get back to this tomorrow. Fair enough - I still think most people would ultimately save the stranger first, thinking they might then have a good attempt at saving the pet next, despite the circumstances dictating that it can't be done. It's instinctive to save anothers life. Imagine you've wondered into the woods to find your kitten as you think he's got lost. You find him miaowing away, but next to him is a little human baby crying away. You know there's nobody around for miles and miles. Who would you pick up first? I've had a cat for 8 years, but in similiar circumstances the furry fucker would have to wait. Going back to your earlier scenario, I reckon it'd be the stranger I save, having now given it some thought. I think most would be the same, even if they are emotional cripples towards their pets. (Not insinuating that you are!) 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #32 August 9, 2009 Quote Quote It has been done! Aye, I've heard it said (my folks live in Shawbury) Would that have been inside the Elephant and Castle by any chance? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #33 August 9, 2009 twas my local as a nipper. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #34 August 9, 2009 Practicality comes into play, too. Say it was a shipwreck. The person, with all that meat, would provide a pretty good food source for a while, while the pet could keep an ear out for trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #35 August 9, 2009 Yeap ... good point (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #36 August 9, 2009 I'm sure that I'd screw around so long trying to make a decision as to who to save that whatever was endangering their lives would have killed them both anyway. Problem solved. The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #37 August 9, 2009 I'd have to say the human first. Simply because, criminal charges could probably be brought against me if I didn't.Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #38 August 9, 2009 I thought of that, too, of course. That is the problem with a simple hypothetical--everyone wants to beat the question. One can not expect any straight-forward answer without a lengthy disclaimer attached to the question.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #39 August 9, 2009 The person. People's lives are more important than animal's lives, no matter how beloved the animal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #40 August 9, 2009 Quote I thought of that, too, of course. That is the problem with a simple hypothetical--everyone wants to beat the question. One can not expect any straight-forward answer without a lengthy disclaimer attached to the question. You're not beating yourself up over your cats are you? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #41 August 9, 2009 Quote The person. People's lives are more important than animal's lives, no matter how beloved the animal. According to you... I can point out quite a few people who's lives are less valuable than an animals. Most all animals do not harm anything without good reason, they live and coexist, people are vermin for the most part. I could show you places that would make you want to fire bomb it. People have done some really horrible things and you give them a free pass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #42 August 9, 2009 QuoteThe person. People's lives are more important than animal's lives, no matter how beloved the animal. Bill, you are a pet owner? Honest question.Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #43 August 9, 2009 >I can point out quite a few people who's lives are less valuable than >an animals. I have no doubt that such people exist. But if you would really choose to save your pet's life over a stranger's, then you have a very different morality than I do. On the plus side, PETA would love to have you. >Most all animals do not harm anything without good reason I take it you have never seen a cat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #44 August 9, 2009 >Bill, you are a pet owner? Honest question. Right now, no. But we had dogs for 25 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #45 August 9, 2009 Quit making ASSumptions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #46 August 9, 2009 >Quit making ASSumptions. If you had ever seen a cat torture a rodent you would realize that your statement was completely wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #47 August 9, 2009 Actually there is a reason they do it. Everything in the animal world has a purpose, even if you do not see it. Come on down from that ivory tower you have in your mind and realize cats do that as practice for killing. They are hunters, they practice. If it was a skydiver making more than one jump a day would you be so dismissive of the purpose? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #48 August 9, 2009 >Actually there is a reason they do it. Everything in the animal world has >a purpose, even if you do not see it. Ah! In that case, human cruelty is just as explainable. Many are cruel to make more money, or to satisfy their egos, or to further their ambitions. Just as the cat uses cruelty to make himself a better killer, humans use cruelty to make themselves more successful. From that angle, both are equally defensible. >If it was a skydiver making more than one jump a day would you be so >dismissive of the purpose? ?? It would most likely be for fun. Skydiving isn't particularly cruel to others. (Unless they land on someone purposely or something; then I would agree that they were being unnecessarily cruel.) >Come on down from that ivory tower . . . Perhaps you might consider coming out of your computer room once in a while and learn a bit more about the natural world (and perhaps about skydiving.) Animals show cruelty just as humans do, for their own selfish reasons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #49 August 10, 2009 QuoteI thought of that, too, of course. That is the problem with a simple hypothetical--everyone wants to beat the question. One can not expect any straight-forward answer without a lengthy disclaimer attached to the question. These days, there's a lengthy disclaimer attached to everything. Just out of impulse, I would try to help the human first. Then the pet. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #50 August 10, 2009 Quote I guess that is why helicopter pilots fly close to the ground ... they are shit at navigation and need to read road signs I thought IFR stood for "I Follow Roads" ?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
