warpedskydiver 0 #26 August 5, 2009 QuoteQuote Wrong President, kelp - While Bush may not have served in Vietnam, he *did* serve. Clinton is the one that dodged out to merrye olde England to avoid the draft. I was under the impression he was awarded a merit based and highly competitive Rhodes Scholarship, something only a MORON would turn down. Would you like to discuss how many deferments and special deals Clinton got to avoid the draft? I bet you won't or don't even know the facts. He got more deals than a used car salesman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #27 August 5, 2009 Damn, I know guys who willingly went to Vietnam. Some of you act like it was the death sentence. To a Soldier, Sailor, Airman, or MARINE it was like getting a chance to play in the Superbowl to a football player. To draft dodging pussies it was quite the feat to avoid ANY military service or escape to Canada and then be pardoned by a Democrat for a Federal Offense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #28 August 5, 2009 When did it ever occur in fact that dodging the draft included flight school, flying a plane known for killing it's pilots and serving in a combat related capacity? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #29 August 5, 2009 QuoteWhen did it ever occur in fact that dodging the draft included flight school, flying a plane known for killing it's pilots and serving in a combat related capacity? What combat did Bush miss in Texas when he didn't show? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #30 August 6, 2009 Hows that strawman? Have you flown the same plane he did? Not many pilots would have wanted to. I guess you think that was all fun and games. That thing was a death trap if anything went wrong at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #31 August 6, 2009 do you know what a strawman is? No. While you're at it, look up combat too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lost_n_confuzd 0 #32 August 6, 2009 I still can't get over how the makers of that video could not realise that each president was in a completely different enviorment; one in Iraq and the other in the sates. Or maybe they knew and made the video anyways with the intentions of misleading uninformed viewers into thinking that Bush is liked more because he "got more props". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #33 August 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote It's fairly embarassing that an AWOL draft dodger like Bush is being celebrated here, or that in his two campaigns his staff trashed actual veterans. Not sure which is worse - him or Clinton. Certainly neither come close to the elder Bush. BTW, there's probably a bit of a difference in crowds in these videos - Bush went to Iraq, Obama went to North Carolina. Wrong President, kelp - While Bush may not have served in Vietnam, he *did* serve. Clinton is the one that dodged out to merrye olde England to avoid the draft. Sorry, he clearly dodged the draft to a cushy stateside 'duty' and didn't even honor that commitment. Mind you, given that time, I don't blame either one of them for doing whatever they could to avoid going to Vietnam. But you don't get to trash just one of them for it - either you accept both, or you trash both. And if you accept them, you don't have the nerve to criticize the duty of Gore or Kerry. Wrong. You're more than welcome to your OPINION on the matter, but you DON'T get to tell me who's service (or lack thereof) is acceptable or not.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #34 August 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhen did it ever occur in fact that dodging the draft included flight school, flying a plane known for killing it's pilots and serving in a combat related capacity? What combat did Bush miss in Texas when he didn't show? Well, you've just proven that you know nothing about the unit Bush was assigned to or the mission it held.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 August 6, 2009 Quotedo you know what a strawman is? No. While you're at it, look up combat too. And YOU need to look up "Fighter Interceptor Squadron".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #36 August 6, 2009 Quote Hows that strawman? Have you flown the same plane he did? Not many pilots would have wanted to. I guess you think that was all fun and games. That thing was a death trap if anything went wrong at all. He could have manned up and gone in the regular AF and flown those "ever so safe" F-105s or gunless F-4s in real combat, like real men did.The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #37 August 6, 2009 Quote He could have manned up and gone in the regular AF and flown those "ever so safe" F-105s or gunless F-4s in real combat, like real men did. You must REALLY hate Clinton for skipping out completely, then. And how many missions did YOU fly in Nam, since you're talking up the 'manning up and gone in the regular AF'?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #38 August 6, 2009 Quote Quote Hows that strawman? Have you flown the same plane he did? Not many pilots would have wanted to. I guess you think that was all fun and games. That thing was a death trap if anything went wrong at all. He could have manned up and gone in the regular AF and flown those "ever so safe" F-105s or gunless F-4s in real combat, like real men did. Maybe all the "real men" flew in actual combat, maybe not. I, for one, am thankful to all who flew in those supersonic and near sonic toothpaste tubes built by the lowest bidder. If it weren't for all the non-"real men" our NG would be grounded. At least Bush did something, even if it was minimal. Clinton could have been a man and postponed his Rhodes until after his service to his country was fulfilled. If this wasn't possible, then he could have passed on it. I seem to remember a certain pro football player who walked away from a multi-million dollar deal and gave his life for his country.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #39 August 6, 2009 Quote Quote Hows that strawman? Have you flown the same plane he did? Not many pilots would have wanted to. I guess you think that was all fun and games. That thing was a death trap if anything went wrong at all. He could have manned up and gone in the regular AF and flown those "ever so safe" F-105s or gunless F-4s in real combat, like real men did. Like General Robin Olds? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #40 August 6, 2009 Quick question -- does anyone think that Dick Cheney would have turned down the Rhodes scholarship to serve in the army????? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #41 August 6, 2009 Hey I wonder how many months of combat or even duty, Ted Kennedy saw as a ARMY Reserve officer during the Korean war? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #42 August 6, 2009 QuoteQuick question -- does anyone think that Dick Cheney would have turned down the Rhodes scholarship to serve in the army????? Wendy P. Maybe, after all, he had "better things to do" with his time. At least, that was his excuse for not serving in the military.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyBoyd 0 #43 August 6, 2009 Quote I still can't get over how the makers of that video could not realise that each president was in a completely different enviorment; one in Iraq and the other in the sates. Or maybe they knew and made the video anyways with the intentions of misleading uninformed viewers into thinking that Bush is liked more because he "got more props". I could care less if the people in the military like Obama or not. Their job is to do as they are told by their Commander-in-Chief, who, of course, is Obama. Whether the troops like Obama on a personal level, or agree with his politics, is (or should be) meaningless. I have not been in the military, but my guess is that there are soldiers, airmen, sailors and marines of all political persuasions. What matters is that these folks do their jobs (which, for the most part they do very well). Their politics is a non-issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #44 August 6, 2009 Quote You're more than welcome to your OPINION on the matter, but you DON'T get to tell me who's service (or lack thereof) is acceptable or not. I'm eager to hear of any criteria (that is not wingnut based) that appreciates Bush's disservice more than that of Gore or Kerry. Gore was of the 1% in his college class that went to Vietnam. Kerry clearly served in combat, real combat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #45 August 7, 2009 Quote Quote Quote He could have manned up and gone in the regular AF and flown those "ever so safe" F-105s or gunless F-4s in real combat, like real men did. You must REALLY hate Clinton for skipping out completely, then. And how many missions did YOU fly in Nam, since you're talking up the 'manning up and gone in the regular AF'? Twenty three IIRC as a C-130 loadmaster delivering mogas and diesel to up country army bases in January and February 1969 from Tan Son Nhat Air Base while TDY there from Korat, Thailand. Although I wasn't yanking and banking to avoid SAMS over Hanoi, it still sometimes involved angry little guys on the ground with various firearms pointed upward.As far as Bill Clinton goes, I feel about him as I feel about several hundreds of thousands of others that avoided the draft during that period of time using whatever means, good for them if that's what they felt they had to do, didn't and still doesn't bother me. My plan to avoid the draft and combat in Viet Nam was to "man up" and join the Air Force for four years and be a REMF. You see re the above how that worked out for me.The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #46 August 7, 2009 Quote At what point did president Bush earn it, just out curiosity? Was it during his stellar military service in the Air National Guard? Or was it when president Bush was "Not a Pussy Democrat?" When he committed to take out Hussein Does being a Pussy democrat make you not the kind of leader that gets you military support? Yes. What kind of leader, since you know, does get you widespread military support? The kind Bush was. Did you not watch that video?? Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chasteh 0 #47 August 7, 2009 >When he committed to take out Hussein So the great military leader is the irrational one who ensures there are constant streams of conflicts to fight. Interesting. Someone should have told him that Saddam Hussein was one of his Secretary of Defense's buddies. Not that reason could be used to fool him. After all, he did use 9/11 as justification for the war in Iraq - and he very well knew that the 9/11 hijackers were from 1) Saudi Arabia and 2) Were trained in Afghanistan. So much for remaining consistent with holding countries who "harbored terrorists" responsible. Clearly what mattered had nothing to do with reason, only with what he could get away with - and oh did he ever. >Yes. Why? >The kind Bush was. Thus, irrational authority does it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #48 August 7, 2009 You make now sense, but argue anyways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #49 August 7, 2009 QuoteYou make now sense, but argue anyways. I think you meant "No", not "Now".I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #50 August 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteAt what point did president Bush earn it, just out curiosity? Was it during his stellar military service in the Air National Guard? Or was it when president Bush was "Not a Pussy Democrat?" When he committed to take out Hussein So he manned up, so to speak, by sending others in to fight? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
