Conspiracy Theory

[vortexring 0]

Hey Rhys, I actually think you might be onto something mate. Is it glue?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[billvon 3,110]

Rhys, Vortex, MNealTX - cut it out. You can disagree on the various conspiracy theories put forth here, but stop the attacks.

[rhys 0]

thanks bill I appreciate your interjection.

As much as I am guilty of subtle PA's they are usually in response to one made in my direction.

With a bit of luck someone will have a go at debunking the point I am making and have a real case against mine.

I would rather believe these buildings fell down from the plane stikes themselves but am having a hard time doing so, they were damn strong buildings.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[vortexring 0]

"The mistaken belief that a handful of unexplained anomalies can undermine a well-established theory lies at the heart of all conspirational thinking (as well as Creationism, Holocaust denial and the various crank theories of physics). All the 'evidence' for a 9/11 conspiracy falls under this rubric."

Now who does that make me think of!?

Have you read this article yet?

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-09-11

If you haven't I'm sure you'll enjoy it. One of the most fundamental points regarding peoples responses to your CT 'debates' is that they are aware how you've raved about nonsense such as 'Loose Change' in the past. If you're so easily 'taken in' by such nonsense, what's the point of having a logical debate?

You want to believe in your CT. That's the problem.

edit: I've also no intention of PA'ing you, so I'll apologise in regards to the earlier post, although it was only meant as a light-hearted joke.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[rhys 0]

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Have you read this article yet?

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-09-11

If you haven't I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

it was an intersting read, nothing new though, same things have been said by popular mechanics and NIST.

The lack of evidence for the claims it produces are a great contibuting factor to the way it is viewed.

I could make a few comments on the various other aspects 9/11 but will refrain from skewing the conversaion into a tangent, I am focused on the collapses of the buildings in this thread as there is plenty of scientific and mathematical evidence to prove that nist report has made false conclusions,i do not wish to cloud this issue with the assumtions made but various people on both sides of the story.

I would like to stick to what is actually 'known', and use real physics and maths to learn from the evidence.

This is what is wanted from another investigation, any truth will be revealed with the results once they are corrected.

Comments like 'probably aluminium' (moulten metal) and 'probably air displacement' (squibs) are just speculation and assumtion which have no place in science. What I do know about these two things however is that aluminium does not glow orange until well after it has reached it melting point and if the bursts are in fact displacement they would be located at each floor as the floor on top of it falls and collides with it, therefore displacing the air between the two. Not several floors below?

Would the air rush down the fire escapes or elevator shafts and choose one place to eject rather than blowing out the windows at almost the same time?

but once again this is speculation not raw data so we should not use it in our conclusions.

Please don't post speculateive one sided links, but rather factual, detailed links back by scienc as I have done in this thread.

I'll read them, but they will do nothing to prove any point.

For this puzzle to be solved, only science can help and those on your side of belief need to acknowledge that the NIST report has come to a false conclusion, due to the false claims it has.

fortunately allthe evidence against is coming together, the emotion fo the disaster has settled and there are many people working on the truth, leaving behind speculation and guesswork, and using facts and physics to prove thier point.

time will tell!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[jakee 1,594]

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As much as I am guilty of subtle PA's they are usually in response to one made in my direction.

Hah, subtle like a fox in a henhouse!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?