Conspiracy Theory

[rhys 0]

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While I may disagree with some of his analyses, Mike's not dumb. If you're trying to argue for a position, insulting the other side is very rarely an effective tactic unless you want to appeal to your own side. (Doesn't mean it's not one used frequently.)

Like all the tin hat comments, the ones made without substanciating the basis of thier side of the argument? have to agree with you.

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And it would be a very hard case to argue that his attention span is short.

Not really, he askes for an explanation, I give him one and instead of actually reading it, he returns to making tin foil hat coments.

90% of his posts are cheeky one line coments with no substance, he never actually subtanciates his side of the story and just jumps on a bandwagon, true signs of a short attention span.

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Whether his head has an above average circumferance seems fairly easy to find out.

You have heard of fugure of speech right?

Anyway I do not wisH to stray away from the point as that is mikes favorite weapon when he can't defend his side of the story, just change the subject!

So back to the point at hand!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

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New? Laugh No I work with a conspiracy nut just like you so I get to listen to this shit all the time.

So if someone believes the Nist report is false, they automaticly believe, man didn't land on the moon, aliens are amoung us, the pyrimids were constucted by aliens...

A common mistake from your type, you cannot differetiate between those that have and argument and those that simply are doing the same as what your side does;

believe everything they are told!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

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In short, like every other CT crackpot, you're claiming that something looks funny, therefore the whole thing is a lie.

No, i'm claiming (along with hundreds of thousands of others) that the Nist report is not correct, the mistakes are pointed out but noone seems to be able to correct the faults.

This report is supposed to explain one of the worst disasters in world history, but you all seem quite content in beng told lies and seeing millions of people lived being destroyed because o a knee jerk reaction to a false assumtion?

Where is the wisdom in that, oh wise one?

It reminds me of religon, just have faith and it is all good, don't question the higher powers just beieve what they tell you, even if it doesn't make and sense.

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It's much easier to point to something difficult to explain (and refuse to accept any explanations for it)

Go back, read this thread and tell me where any explanation of the question that is being asked has been made?

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Because 'mission impossible' doesn't even come close to describing how difficult it would be to blow up these buildings intentionally without detection.

They were not blown up, they fell, a distinct difference.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

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Nope. I was just letting him, and you guys know that rhys still hasn't phoned me to discuss the issues.Wink

what is wrong with discussing it openly on this forum?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[grimmie 186]

We can debate it all day long here. I just want to sit you down with some of the guys that were there that day.
Drive on down I-5 next year. About 20 FDNY guys will be at my house in February.
Bring some study materials, I'll provide lunch.

[rhys 0]

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We can debate it all day long here. I just want to sit you down with some of the guys that were there that day.
Drive on down I-5 next year. About 20 FDNY guys will be at my house in February.
Bring some study materials, I'll provide lunch.

How does hving been there make anyone more educated on how the buildings collapsed than anyone else?

You want to subject me to to emotional side of the story that was the driving force behind the false reaction that was the iraq war?

What about the families and firefighters that wan't another invesigation?

You are pretty one sided if you think all the FDNY guys are happy with how the disaster was dealt with.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[kelpdiver 2]

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hundreds or thousands of scientists from around the world also want the same and will participate in the investigation.

Hey! We're back up to hundreds of thousands again!

[Gravitymaster 0]

Hey Rhys

Explain this one. According to all your sources it would be impossible for a building to do this. Can you produce a single source who believes the WTC was incapable of reaching freefall speeds that also believes this is possible? Do you think secret govt. agents reinforced the structure of this building? How else could this have happened?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7z-FQUrfhc

[rhys 0]

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hundreds or thousands of scientists from around the world also want the same and will participate in the investigation.

Hey! We're back up to hundreds of thousands again!

get your eyes checked bro, this is the second time in this thread you have misread and made a knee jerk rection.

I didn't realise you were that much od a post whore, but i suggest you take a little more time to ingest what it is you are reading before relying.

You are making an ass of yourself!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

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Hey Rhys

Explain this one. According to all your sources it would be impossible for a building to do this. Can you produce a single source who believes the WTC was incapable of reaching freefall speeds that also believes this is possible? Do you think secret govt. agents reinforced the structure of this building? How else could this have happened?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7z-FQUrfhc

you will have the re phrase your question, I don't undertand exactly what it is that you want.

hat was quit obviously a ball and chain type demolition, but a good example of an asymetrical collapse, not ice how rigid the upper section remained. qute the opposite of the wtc 1 & 2 collapses.

I am interested in what it is you want but your word don't make too much sence to me.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[mnealtx 0]

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If you know it's wrong then what is the correct answer?

Are you serious?

Nist spends millions of dollars getting it wrong (whether by accident or on purpose?) and you expect a comercial skydiver to explain it to you?



Are you stupid or what?

Well, YOU are the one that is saying it's wrong - so prove it.

Of course, you've ALREADY admitted upthread that you DON'T know what you're talking about, so you're basically just parroting whatever the main page of conspiracytoday.com is telling you.

That makes you one of those sheep that you talked about upthread, as well.

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And you want me to give you an/my explanation?

Yeah - it's called "putting your money where your mouth is".

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That's the basic response every time you bring up yet ANOTHER one of these threads, yes...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rhys 0]

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Of course, you've ALREADY admitted upthread that you DON'T know what you're talking about, so you're basically just parroting whatever the main page of conspiracytoday.com is telling you.

That makes you one of those sheep that you talked about upthread, as well.

You failed to acknowledge the 2 very well presented documents that I put forward in this thread to contribute to my argument.

This means you cannot understand what they are saying or cannot refute what they are saying. To top it off you are calling doctors and scientists, paranoid radiophobics when you have never met them, or have not read their resume?!?

And this coming from somone who's claim to fame is a couple of skydives a decade or more ago and tens of thousands of posts on a skydiving website with absolutely no substance.

I know whos theories i'll be backing?

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Yeah - it's called "putting your money where your mouth is".

So I produced well written journals and hypothesies to the argument, what have you produced other than half witted, rinsed out jokes and insults?

Have you ever had a serious, intellegent conversation in your life?

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That's the basic response every time you bring up yet ANOTHER one of these threads, yes...

So I bought up this thread? really? Shows your observational skills.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[grimmie 186]

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We can debate it all day long here. I just want to sit you down with some of the guys that were there that day.
Drive on down I-5 next year. About 20 FDNY guys will be at my house in February.
Bring some study materials, I'll provide lunch.

How does hving been there make anyone more educated on how the buildings collapsed than anyone else?

You want to subject me to to emotional side of the story that was the driving force behind the false reaction that was the iraq war?

What about the families and firefighters that wan't another invesigation?

You are pretty one sided if you think all the FDNY guys are happy with how the disaster was dealt with.

Did I say I was going to subject you to the "emotional side"?

What does the Iraq war have to do with it?

I'm one sided because I think the FDNY is happy with the investigation?

Putting a lot of words in my mouth there rhys.

I just invited you to come have a serious discussion with men that were there, that know a bit about buildings on fire and collapses.

You are convinced of a conspiracy. Step out from behind your computer and have a real debate. With real men. That were really there.

[Gravitymaster 0]

It's a square building. When it falls over, shouldn't it just stay on it's side? How is it possible for a square building to roll over on it's roof? I have experimented with a square box and every time I push it over on it's side it stays there. But here we have a building doing something that seems impossible. How could that be?

[rhys 0]

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Did I say I was going to subject you to the "emotional side"?

What does the Iraq war have to do with it?

I'm one sided because I think the FDNY is happy with the investigation?

Putting a lot of words in my mouth there rhys.

I just invited you to come have a serious discussion with men that were there, that know a bit about buildings on fire and collapses.

You are convinced of a conspiracy. Step out from behind your computer and have a real debate. With real men. That were really there.

1, Debating with FDNY firefighters that believe the official story is bound to spark a few emotions.

2, The Iraq war has everything to do with it. without 9/11 there would never have been the justification to invade for the second time.

3, You are one sided if you think all FDNY firefighters that were there belive the staory as it is told.

how about you get your FDNY mates to sit down and discuss it with these guys;

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=2

then you will have a real conversation with people that undertyand each others' ligno.

I don't feel like spending a thousand dollars to be made fun of by a bunch of upset blokes. if you discuss it with the above mentioned guys, you will even the playing field out.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[mnealtx 0]

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Of course, you've ALREADY admitted upthread that you DON'T know what you're talking about, so you're basically just parroting whatever the main page of conspiracytoday.com is telling you.

That makes you one of those sheep that you talked about upthread, as well.

You failed to acknowledge the 2 very well presented documents that I put forward in this thread to contribute to my argument.

What about them?

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This means you cannot understand what they are saying or cannot refute what they are saying.

Wrong again - there's plenty of links refuting your 'experts'.

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To top it off you are calling doctors and scientists, paranoid radiophobics when you have never met them, or have not read their resume?!?

And this is different from you calling doctors, scientists and demolition engineers 'sheep' for agreeing with the NIST report that you admit you don't have the knowledge to refute, how?

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And this coming from somone who's claim to fame is a couple of skydives a decade or more ago and tens of thousands of posts on a skydiving website with absolutely no substance.

I'll make the same reply as last time - this has exactly WHAT to do with the thread? (besides stroking your 'comercial skydiver'(sp) ego, that is?)

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Yeah - it's called "putting your money where your mouth is".

So I produced well written journals and hypothesies to the argument, what have you produced other than half witted, rinsed out jokes and insults?

YOU haven't produced SHIT - you've cut-n-pasted from other sites.

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Have you ever had a serious, intellegent conversation in your life?

Quite often, actually - but then again, MY job is in a technical field, so it requires a bit more than "Ready to skydive today?"

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That's the basic response every time you bring up yet ANOTHER one of these threads, yes...

So I bought up this thread? really? Shows your observational skills.

I didn't claim you brought up THIS thread - so much for YOUR observational skills. "One of these threads" was a generic term describing such brilliant treatises as:

Loose Change, Final Cut!!!
Loose Change, anyone seen it yet?
Revisiting 9/11 truth in the Obama days
911 attacks? US military might?
Usama bin Laden, 911
Thermate, WTC collapses

How *can* we withstand your overpowering bullshit intellect with proof like that?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rhys 0]

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What about them? >> Wrong again - there's plenty of links refuting your 'experts'.

Well show us then rather than just saying they exist.

You can start with Frank Legge and Toni Szamboti's evaluation,

I bet you cannot seriously refute what it is they are saying;

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3884745/911-Sudden-collapse-initiation-impossible

Or do I have to go and get an engineering degree and write my own report in order for you to take it seriously?

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And this is different from you calling doctors, scientists and demolition engineers 'sheep' for agreeing with the NIST report that you admit you don't have the knowledge to refute, how?

I admited I do not have the recources to create my own investigation, I do however have a brain between my ears, and can use it to understand what has been laid out in front of me, you have proven that you do not!

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I'll make the same reply as last time - this has exactly WHAT to do with the thread? (besides stroking your 'comercial skydiver'(sp) ego, that is?)

I have granted and sealed intellectual property, have a tertiary education in two fields, and have excelled in most activities that I have participated in. You (it seems) would rather spend your time sitting at a computer increasing your waist size.

Skydiving is only one of my forte's and commercial skydiving is way down the list of things that I would brag about if I was that way inclined (which I am not).

Egos are not very well respected in my country so we are bred to not have them. Don't assume you know me.

I produce evidence and a debate and you just clag up bandwidth with personal attacks disgused as a megre attempt to participate in a conversation, in order to increase the amount of posts you have.

I will not feed the monster any further so unless you actually contribute educated and detailed contributions to the subject I will refrain from replying to your posts no matter how vulgure of an attemt to make me react they are.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[kelpdiver 2]

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I will not feed the monster any further so unless you actually contribute educated and detailed contributions to the subject I will refrain from replying to your posts no matter how vulgure of an attemt to make me react they are.

Can we get this in writing?

[kelpdiver 2]

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hundreds or thousands of scientists from around the world also want the same and will participate in the investigation.

Hey! We're back up to hundreds of thousands again!

get your eyes checked bro, this is the second time in this thread you have misread and made a knee jerk rection.

I didn't realise you were that much od a post whore, but i suggest you take a little more time to ingest what it is you are reading before relying.

You are making an ass of yourself!

Hey, it's not my fault you can't keep your bullshit straight. Sometimes it's thousands, or hundreds of thousands, occasionally millions, and now we're down to hundreds?

BTW, when it comes to post whoring, you're in your own league. In this thread, you got 35 posts to my 9.

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Hey, it's not my fault you can't keep your bullshit straight. Sometimes it's thousands, or hundreds of thousands, occasionally millions, and now we're down to hundreds?

A megre excuse for you ill vision, i am being as correct as I can, there are at least hundreds of scientists, parhaps thousands that refute the official story.

There are hundreds of thousands of people in the US that refute the official story, more then 70,000 in new york state alone signed a petition for an new investigation.

And finally there are millions worldwide.

pretty simple stuff!

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BTW, when it comes to post whoring, you're in your own league. In this thread, you got 35 posts to my 9.

The vast majority of my posts are directed at the subject, answering questions that are asked of me, provinging scientific proof of my beliefs and substanciating my argument.

Not one person has provided proof of thier beliefs, but as expected, proclaim that they are in the know and that I am a paraniod fool.

I am far fom paranoid, if i were i wouldn't be taking my holidays in 3rd world countries and travelling in local transport eating local food and being somewaht open minded about life.

I am agnostic and will always have an open mind about anything, just provide me evidence and I will injest it!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[mnealtx 0]

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I bet you cannot seriously refute what it is they are saying;

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3884745/911-Sudden-collapse-initiation-impossible

Or do I have to go and get an engineering degree and write my own report in order for you to take it seriously?

Isn't that exactly what you're demanding of us?

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I admited I do not have the recources to create my own investigation, I do however have a brain between my ears, and can use it to understand what has been laid out in front of me, you have proven that you do not!

No, you've proven that you can hit ctrl-c and ctrl-v on your keyboard, and that's about it.

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I'll make the same reply as last time - this has exactly WHAT to do with the thread? (besides stroking your 'comercial skydiver'(sp) ego, that is?)

I have granted and sealed intellectual property, have a tertiary education in two fields, and have excelled in most activities that I have participated in. You (it seems) would rather spend your time sitting at a computer increasing your waist size.

Skydiving is only one of my forte's and commercial skydiving is way down the list of things that I would brag about if I was that way inclined (which I am not).

Egos are not very well respected in my country so we are bred to not have them. Don't assume you know me.

For something that's not well respected, you sure spend a lot of time talking trash about me, personally, to pump yourself up. I refer you back to your brag list, above.

Obviously, the "breeding" didn't take in your case.

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I produce evidence and a debate and you just clag up bandwidth with personal attacks disgused as a megre attempt to participate in a conversation, in order to increase the amount of posts you have.

No, you've brought speculation and hearsay. GREAT cut-n-paste work, though.

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I will not feed the monster any further so unless you actually contribute educated and detailed contributions to the subject I will refrain from replying to your posts no matter how vulgure of an attemt to make me react they are.

Sweet - will you be following your own advice?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[mnealtx 0]

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just provide me evidence and I will injest it!

Bull - you've been given evidence over and over again - if it ain't from the loose screws team, you've got your fingers in your ears going 'lalalalala can't hear you'.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[sundevil777 102]

For your conspiracy to be true, not only would Bush and his people have been in on it, but his adversaries also. Do you believe they would be willing to do this? Perhaps only rep Jackson-Lee (I think) of Texas has said she thinks it was an inside job.

You complain about us not addressing points that you make. I think it is completely the other way around - you ignore those that refute your arguments. Many, many of the points you make have been refuted, but instead of continuing a discussion of those particular points, you go on to others, there is always another, and another. So many of the allegations made have been shown to be laughably bogus, that it should make a reasonable person doubt the integrity of the sources concerning all their other assertions, but not to you, no way, you are just as likely to believe what they are telling you. I however, refuse devote any effort to even checking out the latest claim from the bullshiters, can you understand that attitude?

I have a mechanical engineering degree. It doesn't make me an expert in civil engineering, but it sure as hell does make me more able than you to identify bullshit in this case. It is relatively easy for those without such training to fooled by the bullshit. For those experts you cite, of course they should know better, I must conclude their desire for a conspiracy to be true is stronger than anything else.

So, either you also have a desire to believe that is stronger than anything else, or you like being an irritant. Either way, I don't care anymore. Even this post is more effort than you're worth, perhaps it is just an interest in the study of human behavior that even gets me to continue reading this thread.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[rhys 0]

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For your conspiracy to be true, not only would Bush and his people have been in on it, but his adversaries also.

Not necessarily,

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Do you believe they would be willing to do this?

Damned straight they would be, they got to unleash thier destructive and violent tendencies, look like heros to their neo con (dare I say it) 'Mob' of followers, and make a shitload of cash at the same time.

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You complain about us not addressing points that you make. I think it is completely the other way around - you ignore those that refute your arguments. Many, many of the points you make have been refuted, but instead of continuing a discussion of those particular points

Actually if you read this thread, I have stuck to one point (the Nist report being wrong and using false calculations that do not comply with basic physics), and have asked multipule times for evidence to refute a couple of well written, informative yet relatively short documents that explain how this is the case (the NST report being incorrect).

I will stick to this one point in this thread until one of you can prove that the official report is in fact correct and plausable.

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there is always another, and another. So many of the allegations made have been shown to be laughably bogus, that it should make a reasonable person doubt the integrity of the sources concerning all their other assertions, but not to you, no way, you are just as likely to believe what they are telling you.

As I mentioned above, I am discussing and debating one point and one point only in this thread. Yet no one has made a valid argument (with evidence and substance) against it.

I will agree that in reality there is many, many coincidences and obvious flaws in the official story of 9/11 that is why I choose to stick to one point at a time. Everything at once is too much for most to handle.

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I however, refuse devote any effort to even checking out the latest claim from the bullshiters, can you understand that attitude?

You don't mind telling me that I am wrong but can't be bothers explaing yourself?

read this; http://www.scribd.com/doc/3884745/911-Sudden-collapse-initiation-impossible



As a mechanical engineer (or the holder of a degree in that field), It will take you less than 5 minutes and you will have no trouble understanding its content (as others obviously have), and tell me where it is bogus.

That should be no probelm for you, if you are so sure of yourself.

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I have a mechanical engineering degree. It doesn't make me an expert in civil engineering, but it sure as hell does make me more able than you to identify bullshit in this case. It is relatively easy for those without such training to fooled by the bullshit. For those experts you cite, of course they should know better, I must conclude their desire for a conspiracy to be true is stronger than anything else.

As above. short and sweet.

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So, either you also have a desire to believe that is stronger than anything else, or you like being an irritant.

No I just want to know the truth.

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Either way, I don't care anymore. Even this post is more effort than you're worth, perhaps it is just an interest in the study of human behavior that even gets me to continue reading this thread.

Once again, an "I'm right, your wrong" post without any evidence at all, claiming well educated, well spoken professionals are idiots without any argument for the case whatsoever.

I simple link to some origional material that doesn't use NIST's calculations as a basis 'or' proving Nist's calculations are in fact plausable.

That is all it would take, as supposedly there is untold amounts of these 'cases for' but I am yet to see one produced.


Funny (peculiar) that!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[BDashe 0]

Hmm, this website was blocked from my office under the category of "Tasteless." Sh*t.

So there I was...

Making friends and playing nice since 1983