kallend 2,148
what exactly is your point? nowhere in my post do i claim that obama wants canadian-style healthcare, so i'm not sure why you would quote my post and add a link about canadian-style healthcare. read the part of my post that says, "obama's ideas about how doctors get paid under his plan just seem like a poor financial risk." i'm not reading between the lines, taking on the view of fox news (or any other news source), i'm not guessing as to what he means. i heard him say that he wants to change the way doctors get payed. he spelled out what changes he wants to make. i'm not jumping to any conclusions as to "what obama wants".
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kbordson 8
Careful there... or soon he's going to start claiming that you *gasp* wear a foil hat too!!!
Don't question.
Don't ask.
Just accept. Cuz he's smarter and knows so much better what is good for you and your wife and me and .... well... basically everybody.
Don't question.
Don't ask.
Just accept. Cuz he's smarter and knows so much better what is good for you and your wife and me and .... well... basically everybody.
kallend 2,148
Quotewhat exactly is your point? nowhere in my post do i claim that obama wants canadian-style healthcare, so i'm not sure why you would quote my post and add a link about canadian-style healthcare. read the part of my post that says, "obama's ideas about how doctors get paid under his plan just seem like a poor financial risk." i'm not reading between the lines, taking on the view of fox news (or any other news source), i'm not guessing as to what he means. i heard him say that he wants to change the way doctors get payed. he spelled out what changes he wants to make. i'm not jumping to any conclusions as to "what obama wants".
If you're "not jumping to any conclusions as to 'what obama wants'" how can you know that "obama's ideas about how doctors get paid under his plan just seem like a poor financial risk."?
If your question really is purely hypothetical, why mention Obama and his "wants" and "ideas" at all? On the other hand if the context is actually the plan under consideration, then the details of it are relevant, including the fact that a single payer plan is NOT proposed, nor is any "force" proposed.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
you clearly have no intention of actually discussing this in any intelligent manner. you have added zero value to this dicussion. i'm done with you in this thread.
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"Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama
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kallend 2,148
Quoteyou clearly have no intention of actually discussing this in any intelligent manner. you have added zero value to this dicussion. i'm done with you in this thread.
Interpretation: you have no logical answer to the points I made so you resort to bluster.
Cool.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
TomAiello 26
Quoteyou clearly have no intention of actually discussing this in any intelligent manner. you have added zero value to this dicussion. i'm done with you in this thread.
If you're interested in anything other than attempts to rile you up, interwoven with straight party line democratic agenda, you're better off to be done with him altogether.
-- Tom Aiello
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good point
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turtlespeed 226
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please listen to the whole interview and it will answer the question that the bill will force all doctors to take Obama's insurance program by eliminating private insurance programs.
It seems you have been fooled. The interview was full of falsehoods:
www.factcheck.org/2009/07/false-euthanasia-claims/
Maybe he was referencing "The Messiah Obama's" wants and desires for a single payer system.
As I see it - SP eliminates insurance - or is something being overlooked?
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun
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pirana 0
QuoteAs I see it - SP eliminates insurance - or is something being overlooked?
Even if it is only 1 entity handling the administrative work, it is still insurance. Assuming there will be funding from multiple sources, and payouts to multiple providers, and review for necessity of care, and disease management, and pricing calculations, and tracking of outcomes, and....
Hmmm. Guess this whole overhaul of delivery and financing isn't quite as simple as some thought.
Well, no bother, let's make it simple. Let's allow everyone to go wherever they want for care, get whatever whacked out treatment they want, let providers bill whatever they want, pay 100% of all billed charges, ignore assinine treatment regimens and bad outcomes, give everything away for free, and tax the shit out of whoever we have to in order to pay the bill.
As O'Rourke once said "You think health care is expensive now, just wait until it is free."
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
wmw999 2,588
There is no plan that can completely address the issue of wilfully irresponsible people. And the cost for doing so it not acceptable (i.e. the only way to do that is to demand either insurance or prepayment up front before any treatment, including emergency).
Wendy P.
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
kallend 2,148
You are aware, of course, that was a clever cut and paste job taking lots of stuff out of context.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
turtlespeed 226
QuoteYou are aware, of course, that was a clever cut and paste job taking lots of stuff out of context.
So are you saying that he is for or against Single Source?
I believe it was made abundantly clear that he was adamant about being FOR it.
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun
TomAiello 26
Quotethe only way to do that is to demand either insurance or prepayment up front before any treatment, including emergency.
There is no reason to bundle emergency care in there. You could (more easily) create a universal "emergency healthcare" plan, and leave non-emergency cases to a private system.
-- Tom Aiello
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Ion01 2
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"President Obama's Science Czar, John Holdren, took a controversial and amoral approach to the science of population by recommending mass compulsory sterilization and even forced abortion (and/or forced marriages) under certain circumstances."
lets not get crazy here, that kind of stuff isn't going to happen. as far as doctors being forced to do abortions, i doubt that will happen either. my wife, for one, will give up her medical license before being forced to perform an electie abortion. countless other doctors will do the same thing. add that to the number of older experienced docs that will just retire if obama gets his way, and you will have a healthcare system in this country even more broken than what we have today.
Killing jews because of thier race....that could never happen. Who would actually be willing do to that and for what purpose? Doctors experimenting on jews. Thier doctors, they heal not kill. They wouldn't do that. There is no way a government would or could make such things happen. These laws are just for the good of society and mankind and they could never result in that kind of thing.......
It seems we all learn about history in school but so few actually learn from it.
Just another step in the direction of communism and another form of something like nazi germany.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the 1927 Buck v. Bell case that the state of Virginia could sterilize those it thought unfit. The most significant era of eugenic sterilization was between 1907 and 1963, when over 64,000 individuals were forcibly sterilized under eugenic legislation in the United States.
When Nazi administrators went on trial for war crimes in Nuremberg after World War II, they justified the mass sterilizations (over 450,000 in less than a decade) by citing the United States as their inspiration.[59] American eugenicists inspired and supported Hitler's racial purification laws, and failed to understand the connection between those policies and the eventual genocide of the Holocaust.
mnealtx 0
Groningen protocol, rewritten?
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Ion01 2
This stuff would never happen. The federal government would never do what the nazis did....right?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9PrC_6ePM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9PrC_6ePM
kallend 2,148
You could always READ THE ACTUAL BILL (link posted previously) instead of believing rubbish posted on right wing sites.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
turtlespeed 226
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You could always READ THE ACTUAL BILL (link posted previously) instead of believing rubbish posted on right wing sites.
THAT wasn't a biased response!
Does that mean that everything on a GOP or right wing website is rubbish?
I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun
www.factcheck.org/2009/07/canadian-straw-man/
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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