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Do you not acknowledge Congress' authority to raise your taxes? Did you not read the Constitution before or after you swore to defend it?
Raising taxes is one thing, redistribution of wealth is another.
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QuoteRaising taxes is one thing, redistribution of wealth is another.
That's what taxes are for, redistribution of resources. That's what taxes have always been for.
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QuoteQuoteRaising taxes is one thing, redistribution of wealth is another.
That's what taxes are for, redistribution of resources. That's what taxes have always been for.
And those who rob Peter to pay Paul will always have Paul's enthusiastic support at the polls.
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QuoteAnd before that, they were in MY paycheck - so, yes, talking about MY tax dollars (as in, the taxes I pay) is perfectly acceptable.
Just like before you tip a server at a restaurant, the money is yours. After you tip the server, the money belongs to the server. Before you buy goods from a store, the money is yours. After you pay for the goods, the money belongs to the store.
The only reason you have any claim at all to taxes already paid is because we have a government of the people, for the people, and by the people.
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QuoteBut the for-profit system across town has sufficient regulation?
Who knows? I have no information about the hospital across town, and damn little about the non-profit hospital.
Like I said, examining a single non-profit to draw conclusions about all non-profits is foolish.
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Just like before you tip a server at a restaurant, the money is yours. After you tip the server, the money belongs to the server. Before you buy goods from a store, the money is yours. After you pay for the goods, the money belongs to the store.
Just like before I get robbed going of out restaurant the money is mine, but after I get robbed the money is still mine.
What's the difference? Free will vs. Force. Tell me, do people pay most taxes by free will or by the threat of force?
If you can't recognize the difference between the two, then there's not much anyone can do to make things any clearer.
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If the money belongs to the government, why do you sign an employment contract that states it is yours?
Why do you get a job where the employer says you'll get 80k, for example rather than saying "you'll get 40k, and we'll send the government another 40k" or something like that?
There's definitely a fiction that we are entitled to the fruit of our own labor.
In fact we are all the property of the government, and, just as it owns us, it owns our labor.
Why do you get a job where the employer says you'll get 80k, for example rather than saying "you'll get 40k, and we'll send the government another 40k" or something like that?
There's definitely a fiction that we are entitled to the fruit of our own labor.
In fact we are all the property of the government, and, just as it owns us, it owns our labor.
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QuoteLike demanding that I pay for other people to get more healthcare while I get less?
No. Like demanding you pay your taxes.
QuoteQuoteDo you not acknowledge Congress' authority to raise your taxes?
So, I guesd you have given up the selfishness argument and now stick to congressional authority, which I acknowledge.
No, I still consider the Libertarian economic philosophies to be derived from selfishness and fiscal ignorance. Fortunately, the one of the talking points sometimes parroted, that income taxes are unConstitutional, is false.
QuoteStarting a different discussion now? Can't stick to what I owe society?
Nope. Same discussion. You're still trying to come up with excuses as to why it's unfair for you to be expected to pay your taxes. I'm simply addressing those excuses.
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QuoteQuoteAnd before that, they were in MY paycheck - so, yes, talking about MY tax dollars (as in, the taxes I pay) is perfectly acceptable.
Just like before you tip a server at a restaurant, the money is yours. After you tip the server, the money belongs to the server. Before you buy goods from a store, the money is yours. After you pay for the goods, the money belongs to the store.
The only reason you have any claim at all to taxes already paid is because we have a government of the people, for the people, and by the people.
That does not make my statements false, especially my Peter/Paul statement upthread.
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QuoteJust like before I get robbed going of out restaurant the money is mine, but after I get robbed the money is still mine.
Only taxation isn't robbery.
QuoteWhat's the difference?
Taxation is legal and Constitutional.
QuoteFree will vs. Force. Tell me, do people pay most taxes by free will or by the threat of force?
Rule of law is the antithesis of threat of force. By choosing to live in the USA of your own free will, then you consent to the taxation and rule of law of the USA.
QuoteIf you can't recognize the difference between the two, then there's not much anyone can do to make things any clearer.
Oh, I understand the difference. If you have the time, try reading the Constitution, and perhaps you'll understand the difference, too.
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QuoteQuotehttp://healthinsurance.about.com/b/2006/03/22/enrollment-in-federal-entitlement-programs-soars.htm
Son, looks like somebody's handing out my money.
Tax money is not your money. It is our money (i.e. it belongs to the collective population of the nation, state, and/or city).
Once you are finished with school and spend some time in the real working world then come back here and fight this argument. Heck, you might just change how you feel about this then..
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QuoteIf the money belongs to the government, why do you sign an employment contract that states it is yours?
I've never signed an employment contract stating that taxes that I've owed and paid belong to me.
QuoteWhy do you get a job where the employer says you'll get 80k, for example rather than saying "you'll get 40k, and we'll send the government another 40k" or something like that?
You do realize that your employer pays you before you owe and pay the taxes, right?
QuoteThere's definitely a fiction that we are entitled to the fruit of our own labor.
It's only partial fiction. We are entitled to part of the fruits of our labor, but we owe other parts of that fruit to society, via the government.
QuoteIn fact we are all the property of the government, and, just as it owns us, it owns our labor.
I don't see anyone making such a claim.
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QuoteQuoteLike demanding that I pay for other people to get more healthcare while I get less?
No. Like demanding you pay your taxes.
Nice dodge.
QuoteYou're still trying to come up with excuses as to why it's unfair for you to be expected to pay your taxes.
No, YOU are still twisting his words to make it SOUND like he is complaining about his taxes.
So, how much of this tax burden is the BOTTOM 40% expected to carry? Why aren't THEY having to pay their share?
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QuoteQuoteQuoteAnd before that, they were in MY paycheck - so, yes, talking about MY tax dollars (as in, the taxes I pay) is perfectly acceptable.
Just like before you tip a server at a restaurant, the money is yours. After you tip the server, the money belongs to the server. Before you buy goods from a store, the money is yours. After you pay for the goods, the money belongs to the store.
The only reason you have any claim at all to taxes already paid is because we have a government of the people, for the people, and by the people.
That does not make my statements false …
Yes, it does.
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QuoteOnce you are finished with school and spend some time in the real working world then come back here and fight this argument. Heck, you might just change how you feel about this then..
I worked in the "real world" for a lot of years before I decided to return to school.
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And before that, they were in MY paycheck - so, yes, talking about MY tax dollars (as in, the taxes I pay) is perfectly acceptable.
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