mnealtx 0 #26 July 21, 2009 QuoteQuote[I can see you've never been to the Middle East - that's not uncommon between friends. I suppose you've never been to Spain or any of the Spanish countries either, since you're evidently unfamiliar with the concept of the embrazzo. So . . . kissing and holding hands is ok, but a nod of the head isn't? OK! Got it! Nod of the head? Who was it that did that, Paul, because it DAMN sure wasn't Barry.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #27 July 21, 2009 the key to note in this graph is that he still sits at ~55%. The 2000/2004 elections showed the voting to be rather polarized, with neither side doing better than 52%. When you consider that and the lovely state of the economy, it's amazing he still has majority support, and thinking that the 'decline' means very much is just kidding yourself. 30% means a lot. 40% means a bit. 45% not so much, and over 50...business as usual. The health care bill has the potential to make great changes. Same for any attempt as deficit reduction, since I know you'd prefer the deficit to taxes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #28 July 21, 2009 Quotethe key to note in this graph is that he still sits at ~55%. The 2000/2004 elections showed the voting to be rather polarized, with neither side doing better than 52%. When you consider that and the lovely state of the economy, it's amazing he still has majority support, and thinking that the 'decline' means very much is just kidding yourself. 30% means a lot. 40% means a bit. 45% not so much, and over 50...business as usual. The health care bill has the potential to make great changes. Same for any attempt as deficit reduction, since I know you'd prefer the deficit to taxes. Wrong on two counts 1) I think it is the trend that is important. That is what the pollsters say anyway and 2) I would prefer smaller government, with fewer departments and less spending to HUGE deficit spending programs that do nothing but empower the two parties"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #29 July 21, 2009 Quote Wrong on two counts 1) I think it is the trend that is important. That is what the pollsters say anyway and 2) I would prefer smaller government, with fewer departments and less spending to HUGE deficit spending programs that do nothing but empower the two parties 1) Pollsters say a lot of things - in this case it's particularly self serving. But if you think the trend matters, you need to look at history a bit more. Between the economy and the honeymoon effect, this trend line was entirely predictable in Jan, and would be seen for anyone holding the office. Just hope he doesn't invite a 9/11 event to boost his popularity. 2) that's not the choice I'm giving you. We have wars, and F22s and F35s and medicare (Bush's drug plan) and SS commitments to pay for. We could fundamentally change our philosophy on defense and cut hundreds of billions...see that other thread. Seems unlikely we'll do it anytime soon. So it's debt or taxes. Reagan, Bush, and Bush chose debt. Clinton chose taxes, and it helped Newt in '94. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #30 July 21, 2009 QuoteQuote Wrong on two counts 1) I think it is the trend that is important. That is what the pollsters say anyway and 2) I would prefer smaller government, with fewer departments and less spending to HUGE deficit spending programs that do nothing but empower the two parties 1) Pollsters say a lot of things - in this case it's particularly self serving. But if you think the trend matters, you need to look at history a bit more. Between the economy and the honeymoon effect, this trend line was entirely predictable in Jan, and would be seen for anyone holding the office. Just hope he doesn't invite a 9/11 event to boost his popularity. 2) that's not the choice I'm giving you. We have wars, and F22s and F35s and medicare (Bush's drug plan) and SS commitments to pay for. We could fundamentally change our philosophy on defense and cut hundreds of billions...see that other thread. Seems unlikely we'll do it anytime soon. So it's debt or taxes. Reagan, Bush, and Bush chose debt. Clinton chose taxes, and it helped Newt in '94. Then debt is has to be. Cause taxation will because more debt than the other choice. Know however, I do not agree with the premise of your post (althught the history is accurate) Too many factors you ignore when posting to Reagan and Clinton. (and your Clinton implication is nearly a lie) Edited to add: re-reading it seems I may have not understood your Clinton point. Not sure I do yet. Can you clarify?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #31 July 21, 2009 That's just terrible. He's only about 30% above where Bush was in January 2009, and his 2nd quarter average is only a little higher than Reagan's 2nd quarter average was.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #32 July 21, 2009 Quote That's just terrible. He's only about 30% above where Bush was in January 2009, and his 2nd quarter average is only a little higher than Reagan's 2nd quarter average was. Hey!Glad to see you posting as kallend today!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #33 July 21, 2009 Quote Quote That's just terrible. He's only about 30% above where Bush was in January 2009, and his 2nd quarter average is only a little higher than Reagan's 2nd quarter average was. Hey!Glad to see you posting as kallend today! Glad to see you posting you usual rubbish today.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #34 July 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote That's just terrible. He's only about 30% above where Bush was in January 2009, and his 2nd quarter average is only a little higher than Reagan's 2nd quarter average was. Hey!Glad to see you posting as kallend today! Glad to see you posting you usual rubbish today. At least I am posting as me and not a Joh Lott copy cat"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #35 July 22, 2009 Life has got to suck for those anti Bush poll posters Live by the poll........ Quote Poll: Americans Say Country Heading in Wrong Direction Under Obama Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:38 PM Article Font Size That was fast. The hope and optimism that washed over the country in the opening months of Barack Obama's presidency are giving way to harsh realities. An Associated Press-GfK Poll shows that a majority of Americans are back to thinking that the country is headed in the wrong direction after a fleeting period in which more thought it was on the right track. Obama still has a solid 55 percent approval rating — better than Bill Clinton and about even with George W. Bush six months into their presidencies — but there are growing doubts about whether he can succeed at some of the biggest items on his to-do list. And there is a growing sense that he is trying to tackle too much too soon. The number of people who think Obama can improve the economy is down a sobering 19 percentage points from the euphoric days just before his inauguration. Ditto for expectations about creating jobs. Also down significantly: the share of people who think he can reduce the deficit, remove troops from Iraq and improve respect for the U.S. around the world, all slipping 15 points. On overhauling health care, a signature issue for Obama, hopes for success are down a lesser 6 points. Add it all up, and does it mean Obama has lost his mojo? Has yes-we-can morphed into maybe? "I think it's just reality," said Sandy Smith, a 48-year-old public relations worker from Los Angeles. "He's not Superman, right?" Indeed, it's not unusual for approval ratings to slide once presidents actually get to work. They're pulled down by things going on in the real world, by people who don't agree with the ways they're addressing problems, by criticism from political opponents. In Obama's case, the problems he's confronting domestically and internationally are legion, and his ability to blame them on his predecessor is fading. Challenges still abound in Iraq and Afghanistan. Unemployment, at 7.6 percent in January, hit 9.5 percent in June and is expected to keep rising well into next year. Almost 4 percent of homeowners with mortgages are in foreclosure, and an additional 8 percent are at least a month behind on payments — the highest levels since the Great Depression. The president is deep into the debate over how to overhaul the nation's health care system, and people are nervous about how their own insurance could be affected. Obama's critics are accusing him of conducting a risky "grand experiment" that will hurt the economy and could force millions to drop their current coverage. It's all taking a toll on expectations. The number of people who think it's realistic to expect at least some noticeable improvement in the economy during Obama's first year in office dropped from 27 percent in January to 16 percent in the latest survey. There's been slippage, as well, in how people view the president personally, although he's still well regarded. About two-thirds now think he understands the problems of ordinary Americans, down from 81 percent in January. Sixty-nine percent think he's a strong leader, off from 78 percent before the inauguration. "He doesn't know enough about any of this," says Michelle Kelsey, a 37-year-old student in Breckenridge, Mo., who gives Obama a three for leadership on a 10-point scale. But then again, Kelsey says, "Nobody could have done better." "I just feel like people haven't given him enough time. It's going to take longer for the economy to come around." It's not just Obama who's feeling the drag. Approval of Congress — already low — has gotten lower, slipping 6 percentage points to 32 percent. Overall, the number of people who think the country is going in the wrong direction hit 54 percent in the latest AP-GfK poll, up from 46 percent in June. That's not necessarily surprising. In years past, the public has tended to be more pessimistic than optimistic about the country's future. Recent exceptions have been short-lived, at the start of the Iraq war, after the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001, after the capture of Saddam Hussein and late in the Clinton administration. Perhaps most troubling for Obama may be where he is losing ground. His approval rating was down 9 points among Americans overall but 20 percent among independents. Similarly, the increase in those who think the country is headed in the wrong direction came mostly from independents and Democrats. Dissatisfaction among independents grew disproportionately on Obama's handling of a range of issues, including the economy, taxes, unemployment, the environment and more. Independents are "the ones to watch," according to Professor Robert Shapiro, a Columbia University expert on public opinion. "The Republicans were more pessimistic from the outset. The Democrats are going to be more resistant to negative information." Overall, Obama still can feel good about a 55 percent approval rating, Shapiro said, but "the fact that it is on the downswing is something to be concerned about. That's going to affect how members of Congress, and in particular people in his own party, may respond to him." The AP-GfK Poll was conducted July 16-20 by GfK Roper Public Affairs & Media. It involved interviews on landlines and cell phones with 1,006 adults nationwide. The survey had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points. 2009 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #36 July 22, 2009 QuoteOMG! So for the first time in Obama's Presidency he's fallen microscopically below where GWB was at on the same day of his Presidency. Wow. That's Earth shattering news you've got there. nonsense, Obama EVEN does this better than Bush ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #37 July 22, 2009 Quote Life has got to suck for those anti Bush poll posters Live by the poll........ Quote Poll: Americans Say Country Heading in Wrong Direction Under Obama Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:38 PM Article Font Size That was fast. The hope and optimism that washed over the country in the opening months of Barack Obama's presidency are giving way to harsh realities. An Associated Press-GfK Poll shows that a majority of Americans are back to thinking that the country is headed in the wrong direction after a fleeting period in which more thought it was on the right track. about 20% LESS than thought the country was on the wrong track under Bush. How AWFUL! Obama still has a solid 55 percent approval rating — better than Bill Clinton and about even with George W. Bush six months into their presidencies Hmmm, weren't Clinton and Bush both re-elected? I think you celebrate too soon.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 July 22, 2009 Tuesday, July 21, 2009 The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 29% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -5 (see trends). Damn... plus 30 to minus 5... sucks to be Barry.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #39 July 22, 2009 QuoteQuote[I can see you've never been to the Middle East - that's not uncommon between friends. I suppose you've never been to Spain or any of the Spanish countries either, since you're evidently unfamiliar with the concept of the embrazzo. So . . . kissing and holding hands is ok, but a nod of the head isn't? OK! Got it! I'll just put you down in the holding hands and kissing category and be done with that. * Touching, long handshakes, grasped elbows, even walking hand in hand by two males is common place in the Arab world. A considerable number of Arabs touch more between the same sex, to show liking–not sex. They hold hands, hug each other, kiss if close friends. As Arab customs and behavior condones the outward display of affection between male friends, one may see Arab men, even officials and military officers, holding hands as they walk together or otherwise converse with one another. If an individual Arab does not touch you, he does not like you–or he may be trying to restrain himself because you are not used to being touched. A full body embrace, accompanied with hugging, should not be initiated until you are sure that the Arab is a close friend. If the Arab initiates it, participate and consider yourself honored and/or accepted. Contact between the opposite sex in public is considered close to obscene. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #40 July 22, 2009 QuoteObama still has a solid 55 percent approval rating — better than Bill Clinton and about even with George W. Bush six months into their presidencies Since Bush was the least popular, and Clinton the most popular, at the end of their terms, I'm not sure this tells us anything. Perhaps it tells us that as a President you're better off to start unpopular, so you can turn things around (like Clinton, opposite Bush), which would mean Obama is in trouble, since he's started out so popular. On the other hand...nah...I'm going with "this tells us nothing."-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #41 July 22, 2009 >I'm going with "this tells us nothing." Other than "what makes republicans happy." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #42 July 22, 2009 Quote>I'm going with "this tells us nothing." Other than "what makes republicans happy." Which Republicans? The one's who've watched polls in the past already understand that this tells us nothing.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #43 July 22, 2009 QuoteQuote>I'm going with "this tells us nothing." Other than "what makes republicans happy." Which Republicans? The one's who've watched polls in the past already understand that this tells us nothing. mnealtx and rushmc would seem to fit.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #44 July 22, 2009 Quote Then debt is has to be. Cause taxation will because more debt than the other choice. Know however, I do not agree with the premise of your post (althught the history is accurate) Too many factors you ignore when posting to Reagan and Clinton. (and your Clinton implication is nearly a lie) Please can you re-write that in English?If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #45 July 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote>I'm going with "this tells us nothing." Other than "what makes republicans happy." Which Republicans? The one's who've watched polls in the past already understand that this tells us nothing. mnealtx and rushmc would seem to fit. Yawn. Were you discussing an issue, or trying to bait another poster?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dewhast 0 #46 July 22, 2009 I present to you a trend of real importance. Popularity Pay close attention to January - March of 2006 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #47 July 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote >I'm going with "this tells us nothing." Other than "what makes republicans happy." Which Republicans? The one's who've watched polls in the past already understand that this tells us nothing. mnealtx and rushmc would seem to fit. Yawn. Were you discussing an issue, or trying to bait another poster? Who wrote: "Which Republicans?" Oh, YOU did... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #48 July 22, 2009 Quote Who wrote: "Which Republicans?" Oh, YOU did Right. And I was hoping, I'll admit somewhat foolishly, for a response like "John McCain" or "Arnold Schwarzenegger" or some other names (or even organization names) that were actually part of the issue, rather than just being targets for your baiting.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #49 July 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote >I'm going with "this tells us nothing." Other than "what makes republicans happy." Which Republicans? The one's who've watched polls in the past already understand that this tells us nothing. mnealtx and rushmc would seem to fit. Yawn. Were you discussing an issue, or trying to bait another poster? Who wrote: "Which Republicans?" Oh, YOU did Cept, I am not a Republican. Got a point worth making?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #50 July 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote >I'm going with "this tells us nothing." Other than "what makes republicans happy." Which Republicans? The one's who've watched polls in the past already understand that this tells us nothing. mnealtx and rushmc would seem to fit. Yawn. Were you discussing an issue, or trying to bait another poster? Who wrote: "Which Republicans?" Oh, YOU did Cept, I am not a Republican. Got a point worth making? ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
