Health Care "Overhaul"

[georgerussia 0]

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I have already answered all your other questions you just don’t seem to want to get it.

You never answered all my questions. Usually you only answer one of them, and you choose the one which is the least important.

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There are many things that I consider optional. Like having a cell phone, what type of car you drive if any, and many other products.

Of course, but you still have a lot of such examples when someone claims they cannot afford insurance, but at the same time they spend money on things like cell phone, cable TV, Internet, DVD rental, beer and so on. You said you cannot afford insurance, so if you are having any of those things, you are in the camp who _choses_ not to afford it.

And it doesn't matter whether you consider something optional or not, this is not what we're talking about. We're talking about who is going to PAY for things you do not consider optional. And as you're avoiding answers it looks more and more like you want to make a list of things which are not considered optional, and basically to force others to provide those things to you. Of course you're ok with paying "your share", but this is because you understand that your share won't cover even your costs as it doesn't now. That's a pretty typical example nowadays - almost everyone who claims that the "system" should provide more means that they want to get things by paying less than they cost. And the difference should be paid by "rich" - they usually call it "fair share" or similar crap.

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Health is not another product, or at least should not be. If you don’t have health you get sick, and you can die.

Good enough. If someone preferred to have a shiny $800 cell phone instead of getting health insurance, and ate the consequences, it might be a good example for others who are still choosing between a cell phone and insurance.

Sound cruel and cold-hearted? Welcome to the real world.

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[pirana 0]

I think my first +1.

Do I owe beer?

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[pirana 0]

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Go home to die; in a place you love surrounded by people you love.

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Absolutely! And preferably, as pain free as possible. I have seen more than one person walk into a hospital here in Westchester, and _NOT_ be allowed to leave to go and die in their bed. Absolutely outrageous!

A double +1. Cool.

But seriously, the article in the NYT alluded to the fact that in a rural area at least, it is not hard or expensive to get a home funeral & burial permit. Sounds like the word is only spreading out of economic necessity. Lot of out-of-work people that can not afford to pay for funerals I suppose.

Spent the last few days of my Dad's life with him in a nursing home last year. Better than a hospital, but only a little. They would pay for him to be there and die, but not for the much smaller bill for an ambulance to haul him to my brother's house so he could die there.

Very sad when my wife's Grandma died. She did not want ANY extraordinary measures; but did not make it official and legal up front. Everybody knew this, including the daughter (my wife's aunt) in charge. But she could not let go, and had her in and out of the hospital a half dozen times the last couple months of her life.

So we get a call that she may not make it, and run up to Central Minnesota with the kids for a last visit. We get there and she can not speak, has a fucking boatload of tubes and wires and shit hanging all over the place; and in my opinion had this very sad and distraught look on her face that said to me "Why are you doing this?" I was so pissed and only the presence of the grandkids and great grandkids kept me from getting ornery.

Luckily, IMO, she died the next day. It still pisses me off that my kids had to see her like that on their last visit together, especially since it was only because her daughter violated her wishes.

OK, back to happy thoughts.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[TankBuster 0]

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I think my first +1.

Do I owe beer?

Absolutely! I'll pm you my address shortly.

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[jcd11235 0]

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.... as limited and definded by our Constitution (which you like to selectively ignore.......

I'm not sure what, exactly, you're talking about with your cryptic post, but I can assure you that I don't "selectively ignore" (or otherwise ignore) the Constitution.

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[rushmc 23]

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> It does enumerate the specific powers that the fed gov has.

Correct! It does not "ensure a minimal government." It lists the powers the government has (which are considerable) and lists the powers the government does NOT have (which are also considerable.)

However I agree that we have, in many cases, overstepped the intent of the Constitution, especially in the administrative branch of government.

So you are saying you do not think this gov has expanded beyond the powers it has listed in the Constitution beyond the admistrative areas?

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[StreetScooby 5]

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A double +1. Cool.

I want to die in my bed.
Then, burn me twice.
My immediate family dumps me in a storm drain.
That drains the pond.
At the Ranch.
Preferably during a rain storm.

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