jcd11235 0 #26 July 10, 2009 QuoteHave we not just increased the debt by $10,000,000,000,000? No, we have not.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydived19006 4 #27 July 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteHave we not just increased the debt by $10,000,000,000,000? No, we have not. I looked at a few web sites, all quoted the debt at 11.5 trillion, well here 11,515,064,224,509.82, but this is old news, it's growing by around $7,000,000 a minute.Experience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else. AC DZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #28 July 10, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteHave we not just increased the debt by $10,000,000,000,000? No, we have not. I looked at a few web sites, all quoted the debt at 11.5 trillion, well here 11,515,064,224,509.82, but this is old news, it's growing by around $7,000,000 a minute. It's not as though the debt was only $1.5 trillion a year ago. We didn't just increase it by $10 trillion.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #29 July 10, 2009 I've read a lot about the systems of carbon credits. I do not see how it actually reduces emissions. I ran across these explanations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FFdZBahxWo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKYotFocS7A http://www.cheatneutral.com/ and here is something that was written on a rather boring youtube vid. Quote How Carbon Credits Trading Works by Benton Bain Carbon offsets are a strange concept. Let me show you in layman terms how it works: Al Gore goes to an Italian restaurant and eats a loaf of garlic bread, a plate of lasagna, a bowl of spaghetti and meatballs, an extra large pizza with seven toppings, a couple bottles of expensive wine and a large assortment of pastries. As a result, he puts on 10 pounds. But he is deeply concerned that mankind is getting too fat. So he pays 10 peasants in Asia $10 each to eat nothing for a week. Although they are already skinny, by starving themselves for a week, they each lose a pound. As a result, after a week, mankind is weight neutral. Al Gore weighs 10 pounds more, 10 Asians weigh 10 pounds less -- and Al Gore is given another Nobel Propaganda Prize for his leadership in keeping mankind's obesity in check. Of course, this example is not quite fair to Gore because that imagined humanitarianism actually costs him cash money. In the real carbon offset business, he looks forward to being paid for directing other carbon consumers to invest in carbon neutral projects through Generation Investment Management which Gore is the founder and chairman. So Gore will profit from mankind's misery. I'm glad to see he finally has developed the capitalist instinct (like his daddy did with Occidental Petroleum and Armand Hammer). When Gore personally is using carbon, as when he flies in a carbon belching Gulfstream jet, one of his companies would pay some other guy not to fly or plant a tree or do something to offset Gore's carbon belching so that Gore can feel elated about himself and live as he wants. Under the TRILLION DOLLAR Kyoto Protocol's trading scheme to determine the offset of emissions and the amount of CO2 that needs to be paid for will be controlled by the same organization that controlled the pittance BILLION DOLLAR Iraqi Food for Oil SCAM with Saddam, the anti-America/anti-capitalist corrupt United Nations!!! Socialist French President Jacques Chirac said in 2000 the UN's Kyoto Protocol represented "the first component of an authentic global governance." so skydive neutral will mean paying the jumpers unable to jump or can't jump, not to jump. IOW, Martin & his jumpers can get paid by SDA in the winter not to jump. Then in the summer Martin pays AZ jumpers not to jump. As you can see, the total # of jumps remains neutral. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydived19006 4 #30 July 10, 2009 Quote so skydive neutral will mean paying the jumpers unable to jump or can't jump, not to jump. IOW, Martin & his jumpers can get paid by SDA in the winter not to jump. Then in the summer Martin pays AZ jumpers not to jump. As you can see, the total # of jumps remains neutral. . Well, that sounds totally logical and reasonable, I wonder why I didn't think of it. I can't help but think that if this thing passes, the people will awaken when it starts to hit them. We'll see what happens at the ballot box at that point. Kick a person in the nuts a couple of times, and they will tend to start paying attention. Have a nice day/weekend.Experience is what you get when you thought you were going to get something else. AC DZ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #31 July 12, 2009 >If I'm running the business and have to recoup the cost of conversion, I don't >know if you'd see that big of a drop in prices. Probably not - but once the DZ changes hands and the plane gets sold to the new owner, now he doesn't have to pay for any conversion. >Having said that, I was under the impression that even in higher-compression >engines, E85 did not have equal return in power, or in efficiency (?)...?? Higher compressions are higher in efficiency; they are more efficient thermodynamically due to a higher expansion ratio. You can gain back 15% in efficiency with a purpose-designed engine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #32 July 12, 2009 >So, where the hell is all this ethanol going to come from? Initially, corn (in the US) and sugar cane (from Brazil.) Eventually from sawdust and cardboard once cellulosic ethanol replaces corn based. >As usual, enjoy your unintended consequences. You're right. I may someday be able to get $10 per can of trash for the cellulose. Horrors! > Are we going to convert all our farm land to growing corn/grass/what the fuck >ever so we can burn our food in our vehicles? Nope. But we are, eventually, going to use the waste (cornstalks, woodchips, grass.) In the meantime, perhaps people will eat fewer Fritos and drink less Pepsi. > Airplanes have a whole lot of wing surface, and we fly for the most part during >the day. Solar panels on the top of the wings, and a electric motor spinning the >fan blade! Talk about green! Been done. >I don't believe that there is a single sole on earth who's read and understands >this piece of legislation. It's stupid on top of stupid. Exactly the same thing was said about CAFE requirements, the Clean Air Act and the CARB requirements. And none of their dire predictions came true either.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #33 July 12, 2009 Quote When Gore personally is using carbon, as when he flies in a carbon belching Gulfstream jet, one of his companies would pay some other guy not to fly or plant a tree or do something to offset Gore's carbon belching so that Gore can feel elated about himself and live as he wants. What is wrong with that? I don't personally believe having a personal gulfdtream is good, but planting trees to offset the carbons you emit is a great thing. Carbon capping will happen not because it is the best solution, but because humans in general don't give a shit so they have to be forced to do something, before it is too late. My room in the bunk house stinks like farts most mornings so I am going to get a pot plant to try to offset the methane emmisions. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
