vortexring 0 #26 July 7, 2009 QuoteQuote I'm not sticking my head in the sand - I merely mentioned an opinion of a newspaper I'm not particularly fond of. Good of you to also provide additional links though. Perhaps you might like to also substantiate your original post rather than cut and paste a newspaper story. What do you make of the statistic that we're 13th regarding homicides? I don't care, because even with the American firearm murder rate and average chances of being black, in a street gang, and involved in the drug trade my chances of being killed with a gun are far lower than things like being in a fatal car accident. As a white guy with average chances of street gang and drug trade involvement I was safer in Seattle where any one can buy a handgun than across the border in Vancouver. I worry more about being mugged than being shot and I worry more about getting run down by a car. Stop worrying so much. You'll give yourself an ulcer. QuoteIt would be nice to see England embrace its bill of rights which allows states that the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions. What? 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 July 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteIt would be nice to see England embrace its bill of rights which allows states that the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions. What? The English Bill of RightsMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #28 July 7, 2009 QuoteIt's also came to my attention that Glasgow was/is the murder capital of the Western Europe: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/glasgow-is-britains-murder-capital-as-knife-crime-spirals-737329.html Quote: "Scotland's soaring murder rate is blamed on a "booze and blade" culture among the young... But it is not just the gang members who are in danger. The knife culture has become fashionable among teenagers across the social spectrum."Like I've been saying all along. Crime isn't caused by guns (or knives) - it's caused by culture. This story of yours seems to agree with me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #29 July 7, 2009 Quote As a white guy with average chances of street gang and drug trade involvement I was safer in Seattle where any one can buy a handgun than across the border in Vancouver. No doubt thats because those poor Canadians don't have guns to protect themselves against all the gun toting Yanks that come over the border! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #30 July 7, 2009 Quote Quote As a white guy with average chances of street gang and drug trade involvement I was safer in Seattle where any one can buy a handgun than across the border in Vancouver. No doubt thats because those poor Canadians don't have guns to protect themselves against all the gun toting Yanks that come over the border! Did you know a private citizen can buy a Tavor in Canada, but not in the USA?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #31 July 7, 2009 QuoteI'm sure the politicians would tell you so, but I'm not so sure. I figured they're worth consideration though. Perhaps I'd have to look into it all a bit deeper to come to a conclusion but I can tell you this: I've travelled all over Europe (and the World) for years - and one of the worst countries where I've witnessed violence is without doubt the UK. However, whilst a significant amount is often alcohol related - it's by no means all. It's also came to my attention that Glasgow was/is the murder capital of the Western Europe: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/glasgow-is-britains-murder-capital-as-knife-crime-spirals-737329.html Hmmm - that's terrible; if the Glasgow homicide rate doubles it will be nearly as high as Houston or Dallas.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #32 July 7, 2009 QuoteHmmm - that's terrible; if the Glasgow homicide rate doubles it will be nearly as high as Houston or Dallas. kallend, you've done well staying away from gun threads for quite a while. You don't really want us to come back at you once again and start pointing out all the gun mayhem in your lovely gun-free Chicago, do you? There's been a lot of headlines in that regard lately. Go ahead, make my day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #33 July 7, 2009 QuoteHmmm - that's terrible; if the Glasgow homicide rate doubles it will be nearly as high as Houston or Dallas. And Chicago. Hey, John - why is it that the gun-free paradise of Chicago has nearly as many murders / 100k as Dallas/Houston?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #34 July 7, 2009 Quote Quote It's also came to my attention that Glasgow was/is the murder capital of the Western Europe: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/glasgow-is-britains-murder-capital-as-knife-crime-spirals-737329.html Quote: "Scotland's soaring murder rate is blamed on a "booze and blade" culture among the young... But it is not just the gang members who are in danger. The knife culture has become fashionable among teenagers across the social spectrum."Like I've been saying all along. Crime isn't caused by guns (or knives) - it's caused by culture. This story of yours seems to agree with me. Sure, to an extent. Although you should remember that whilst alcohol is a significant factor, there are numerous other very significant factors at play too. Just as you've a particular culture problem in America directly related to the misuse of firearms. So yeah, we're both agreed then. Brilliant. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #35 July 7, 2009 QuoteHey, John - why is it that the gun-free paradise of Chicago has nearly as many murders / 100k as Dallas/Houston? I'm not really sure that argument works in favor or against gun control. After all, if Dallas and Houston are so well armed, shouldn't all crime have stopped?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 July 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteHey, John - why is it that the gun-free paradise of Chicago has nearly as many murders / 100k as Dallas/Houston? I'm not really sure that argument works in favor or against gun control. After all, if Dallas and Houston are so well armed, shouldn't all crime have stopped? Since when are CCW holders authorized to act as police officers?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #37 July 7, 2009 Quote Did you know a private citizen can buy a Tavor in Canada, but not in the USA? I'll take your word for that, but I am sure it must be modified to disable the auto function. Not sure what the fuck you would hunt with that barrel though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #38 July 7, 2009 Quote Quote Did you know a private citizen can buy a Tavor in Canada, but not in the USA? I'll take your word for that, but I am sure it must be modified to disable the auto function. Not sure what the fuck you would hunt with that barrel though. Full auto versions (of anything manufactured in the last 20 years) aren't allowed in the USA, either. Pretty much everything (including the Tavor) has a semi-auto only version for public sale. The Tavor (and a couple other modern assault rifles) are a frequent gripe of American gun owners--how come those commies up in Canada can get them and we can't? -- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #39 July 7, 2009 Quote The Tavor (and a couple other modern assault rifles) are a frequent gripe of American gun owners--how come those commies up in Canada can get them and we can't? Because our omniscient government has deemed that a piece of pipe on a gun that is shorter than 16-inches is evil. Ban short pipes! Everyone knows that no crimes can be committed with rifle pipes that are longer than 16", therefore they're perfectly acceptable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #40 July 7, 2009 Quote Quote The Tavor (and a couple other modern assault rifles) are a frequent gripe of American gun owners--how come those commies up in Canada can get them and we can't? Because our omniscient government has deemed that a piece of pipe on a gun that is shorter than 16-inches is evil. Actually, even the 18" barreled version isn't allowed in the USA. It's an import restriction, based on country of manufacture and somehow imposed in the byzantine world of import/export regulation. There are several companies that have talked about licensing to set up production in the US (Barrett and Charles Daly seem to be the most serious), so that the Tavor can be sold here (a semi-auto version that would come standard with a 16" barrel). I'm totally with you on the barrel length issues though. The whole SBR/SBS business is antiquated, and we'd all be better off if the category were just dropped from the NFA. I mean, when you can buy a pistol that fires the same round, what's the point in restricting the rifle to a 16" barrel?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #41 July 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteHmmm - that's terrible; if the Glasgow homicide rate doubles it will be nearly as high as Houston or Dallas. And Chicago. Hey, John - why is it that the gun-free paradise of Chicago has nearly as many murders / 100k as Dallas/Houston? The answer is embedded in your question.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #42 July 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteHmmm - that's terrible; if the Glasgow homicide rate doubles it will be nearly as high as Houston or Dallas. kallend, you've done well staying away from gun threads for quite a while. . Who mentioned guns? This is a Britain thread.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #43 July 8, 2009 QuoteQuotekallend, you've done well staying away from gun threads for quite a while. . Who mentioned guns? This is a Britain thread. When you talk about homicide in Chicago, you're talking about guns. Guns which aren't supposed to exist, because they're banned."Last weekend…just an average Chicago Friday to Sunday in the summer…six men were shot dead in one 24-hour period plus the critical wounding of a 9-year-old who was merely out walking with his family. In 2008 Chicago’s murder rate was double that of U. S. soldiers killed in Iraq, 509 homicides which rose over the preceding year by 15%...But go ahead, show everyone how much you like to hijack thread topics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 July 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteHmmm - that's terrible; if the Glasgow homicide rate doubles it will be nearly as high as Houston or Dallas. And Chicago. Hey, John - why is it that the gun-free paradise of Chicago has nearly as many murders / 100k as Dallas/Houston? The answer is embedded in your question. Yes, that whole .5 per 100k makes SUCH a huge difference.... not that I expected you to break from your 'avoiding the question' traditions, of course.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #45 July 8, 2009 Quote Quote Quote kallend, you've done well staying away from gun threads for quite a while. . Who mentioned guns? This is a Britain thread. When you talk about homicide in Chicago, you're talking about guns. ... But go ahead, show everyone how much you like to hijack thread topics. YOU and MNEALTX brought up Chicago, not me. YOU hijacked your own thread... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #46 July 8, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote kallend, you've done well staying away from gun threads for quite a while. . Who mentioned guns? This is a Britain thread. When you talk about homicide in Chicago, you're talking about guns. ... But go ahead, show everyone how much you like to hijack thread topics. YOU and MNEALTX brought up Chicago, not me. YOU hijacked your own thread Actually, that was in RESPONSE to your usual postings about Houston and Dallas. Nice try, though.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #47 July 8, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote kallend, you've done well staying away from gun threads for quite a while. . Who mentioned guns? This is a Britain thread. When you talk about homicide in Chicago, you're talking about guns. ... But go ahead, show everyone how much you like to hijack thread topics. YOU and MNEALTX brought up Chicago, not me. YOU hijacked your own thread Actually, that was in RESPONSE to your usual postings about Houston and Dallas. Nice try, though. I posted about Glasgow, which IS in Britain. YOU brought up Chicago. At least you admit to the hijack. If YOU want to post about guns and Chicago, start your own thread.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #48 July 8, 2009 Quote That would be a brilliant idea. It would be nice to see England embrace its bill of rights which allows states that the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions. I bet church attendance would increase.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #49 July 8, 2009 Quote I posted about Glasgow, which IS in Britain. YOU brought up Chicago. At least you admit to the hijack. If YOU want to post about guns and Chicago, start your own thread. Despite your hiatus, you're still in fine form, spending more time debating the debate than the actual subject. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #50 July 8, 2009 QuoteQuoteActually, that was in RESPONSE to your usual postings about Houston and Dallas. Nice try, though. I posted about Glasgow, which IS in Britain. And compared it to Houston and Dallas, which are in the United States - at least TRY to make an honest reply, John. QuoteIf YOU want to post about guns and Chicago, start your own thread. And if YOU want to make bullshit comparisons between European and U.S. cities, start YOUR own thread.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
