Gawain 0 #1 June 29, 2009 I bring this up because I've heard this cited on some talk radio shows, but no hard data referring to anything. Statements like, "Voters thought he would be more moderate." yada...yada... So, how about you? If you voted for him, is this where you thought he'd take things or are you scratching your head thinking, "WTF?" If you didn't vote for him, same thing, is he doing as expected? Better? Worse? For me, I figured he would moderate a little bit, but in my opinion, he's moderated too much in areas and not enough in others (way too soft in foreign policy, and the domestic agenda I'm flat out in disagreement with). So, I see it as a net-worse scenario. It culminated with the Congressional passage of the Cap-and-Trade bill. I only hope that it dies in the Senate. This bill is the beginning of what I guessed would be after nationalizing banks, insurance companies and auto companies (http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3526775;search_string=oil;#3526775)...even before health care. He's getting his piece of everything. Some might say that this can be undone later if needed, but I can't think of anything that government has dipped its finger into and later removed...So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #2 June 29, 2009 I did not vote for the chimp and he is far worse than I thought he would be. I would not doubt we are going to be 20 trillion in debt before he leaves office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #3 June 29, 2009 Quote the chimp WTF? Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #4 June 29, 2009 Quote Quote the chimp WTF? It's a recycled pet name--we heard frequently during the last administration, along with caricatures of the president as a monkey. It's been resurrected by the other side now that their guy isn't president.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usedtajump 1 #5 June 29, 2009 I voted for Obama having no expectations that little, if any, of the diplomatic or social platform he espoused would come to pass. My vote was more a protest vote against religious social conservatism than any great admiration for Mr. Obama knowing that both he and Mr. McCane were mediocre candidates at best. Hope the next "best of a sorry lot candidates" are better than the last ones. The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #6 June 29, 2009 I voted for him. I thought he'd be better than this. I still prefer him to McCain, so I'm still happy I voted for him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #7 June 29, 2009 There seems to be only one group that is vocal and that is the Gay and Lesbian lobbies. While I don't see "remorse" from them it is because they were simply anti-Republican. I don't think that the gay and lesbian lobby expected much. But they sure didn't expect to be shelved as they have been. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #8 June 29, 2009 QuoteThere seems to be only one group that is vocal and that is the Gay and Lesbian lobbies. While I don't see "remorse" from them it is because they were simply anti-Republican. I don't think that the gay and lesbian lobby expected much. But they sure didn't expect to be shelved as they have been. Civil libertarians and anti-torture folks aren't especially happy either. Though I agree that the GLBT folks are extremely pissed off right now, and with very good reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #9 June 29, 2009 Max as you can see by the survey, opinions rarely change. Those that didn't like him prior to the election, still distrust him. Those that did like, still adore him. Not to surprised by it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #10 June 29, 2009 I voted for McCain, another Chimp. At the time, I believed he was the better of two bad candidates. Now, I wish I had voted for Ron Paul out of protest. Kind of like my useless votes for Ross Periot?, Pat Buchanan, etc.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #11 June 29, 2009 QuoteMax as you can see by the survey, opinions rarely change. Those that didn't like him prior to the election, still distrust him. Those that did like, still adore him. Not to surprised by it. Well the survey is kinda black and white and we liberals tend to live our lives out there in the gray. I think a lot of liberals expected greatness out of this President and so far we've just seen mediocrity. He's better than the last President, but we expected a bit more than that standard. So, happy I voted for him? Yes. Adore him? Not so much. Vote for him again? Depends on what he does between now and 2012 and who else is in the field. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #12 June 29, 2009 No, civil libertarians are not happy but they have not been too vocal. There is still the sense that Obama doing what Bush did is better than Bush or McCain doing what Bush did. Of course, most Bush supporters don't like Obama continuing Bush policies because it is Obama doing it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #13 June 29, 2009 Voted for Dr. Ron. Anyone from the two major parties is a cookie cutter. Pretty much the same. Rich, corrupt, out for #1, and completely out of touch with a majority of Americans. Obama is pretty much as I expected. As McCain would have been. A figurehead hobbled by an inept and corrupt Congress. Neither offers much, if any, real change. Politics as usual. It will take a revolution to fix things significantly.- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #14 June 29, 2009 QuoteCivil libertarians and anti-torture folks aren't especially happy either. Nor are the anti-war folks. I don't think that when they said they wanted to withdraw troops from Iraq (right on schedule with the Bush timetable) that they meant they'd like them redeployed to Afghanistan.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #15 June 29, 2009 I voted for him and am somewhat disappointed, but not to the point of buyer's remorse (i.e. if the election were held again tomorrow, with the same candidates, I'd vote for him again). He's doing better than I expected in some ways, and worse in others, with the latter slightly outweighing the former."I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #16 June 29, 2009 QuoteNo, civil libertarians are not happy but they have not been too vocal. There is still the sense that Obama doing what Bush did is better than Bush or McCain doing what Bush did. I bet McCain would have moved faster (and stronger) on the Gitmo issues. Having actually been a POW, he seems more sensitive to that sort of thing.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #17 June 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteCivil libertarians and anti-torture folks aren't especially happy either. Nor are the anti-war folks. I don't think that when they said they wanted to withdraw troops from Iraq (right on schedule with the Bush timetable) that they meant they'd like them redeployed to Afghanistan. I think that was predictable. One of the talking points of the Democratic Party has been that the Iraq war has distracted us from the Afghan war. Afghanistan is seen as a more just war by many on the left and I think it's clear to many that we didn't have enough troops there to really gain traction against the Taliban after initially knocking them out of power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #18 June 30, 2009 Bob Barr Biotch!!! Of course President O wouldn't get anything if it weren't for the rubber stamp brigade in Congress. My congressman announced he will no longer host his town hall meetings. A bunch of angry constituants chewed him out. He still voted for "Cap and Trade."Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #19 June 30, 2009 QuoteBob Barr... Ron Paul is a way better standard bearer for Libertarians than Bob Barr.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #20 June 30, 2009 I understand that, but RP didn't get the Republican Nod. I had wished he did, but he didn't. I think it would have been a totally differnet election had Ron Paul been given the nod. If you look at how McCain ran his campaign it looks as if he was put there just for show. Like he was put on top of the ticket just to get Obama into office.Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #21 June 30, 2009 Quote Quote Quote the chimp WTF? It's a recycled pet name--we heard frequently during the last administration, along with caricatures of the president as a monkey. It's been resurrected by the other side now that their guy isn't president. See how quick the knee jerk reactions came out? hmmmmm..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 June 30, 2009 Quote Quote Quote the chimp WTF? It's a recycled pet name--we heard frequently during the last administration, along with caricatures of the president as a monkey. It's been resurrected by the other side now that their guy isn't president. Oh please. Tom I dare you to walk into South Central and call any black man a "chimp." There's a world of difference in the historical connotations.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #23 July 1, 2009 I have some disappointments with Obama - but I knew I would before I voted for him. Nobody takes on that job without disappointing some of their supporters some of the time. I got what I voted for and am generally pleased with the results so far. Even John McCain admits that Obama has been an effective leader, getting all of his proposed legislation passed so far. That's the measufe of an effective President, regardless of party or agenda. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #24 July 1, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote the chimp WTF? It's a recycled pet name--we heard frequently during the last administration, along with caricatures of the president as a monkey. It's been resurrected by the other side now that their guy isn't president. Oh please. Tom I dare you to walk into South Central and call any black man a "chimp." There's a world of difference in the historical connotations. That is quite racist to think that it is a huge insult to call a black man a chimp but yet think it is fair game to call a white man one. BTW Obama is half white. And still a chimp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #25 July 1, 2009 He's the most powerful man in the world. I'm sure he can take the same names and caricatures used against his predecessor. He doesn't need the protections of politically correct language policing. Insisting that those caricatures are racist is demeaning to the President and his achievements.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites