Justice Thomas and sexual abuse of underage girls

[Andy9o8 2]

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>Do you think school administrators should be able to strip search
>your daughter if another student says your daughter provided ibuprofin or
>any other "drug"?

Nope. But if they did, I'd go after them for invading her privacy - not for "sexual abuse." That's absurd. If they were forcibly performing pelvic exams on her, then that might make sense.

I disagree. As far as I'm concerned, as a matter of policy, any involuntary strip search of a juvenile teenager should be presumed - among other things - to be sexually abusive, placing the burden of rebuttal upon the examiner to prove that it was not.

Why? Because you don't just look at the motive of the examiner; you must also look at the perception of the kid being examined. I dare say that most teenagers would consider being subject to an involuntary strip search to be sexually degrading - and that, if nothing else, is what makes it sexually abusive.

[mnealtx 0]

I hadn't considered it in that light - it bears thinking on.

Thanks for posting that, Andy

Mike
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[Andy9o8 2]

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Have you read his book? It's pretty interesting stuff, actually.

You mean this one?

http://cnx.org/content/m22079/latest/cover22.png




Sorry. I try hard to crack myself up.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Why am I not surprised at the horrible thread tittle.....

Judges? Irony score, please?

[lawrocket 3]

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any involuntary strip search of a teenager should be presumed - among other things - to be sexually abusive, placing the burden of rebuttal upon the examiner to prove that it was not.

I agree - to a point. The problem with me is that it creates blurry lines that are independent of the intent of actor.

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you must also look at the perception of the kid being examined. I dare say that most teenagers would consider being subject to an involuntary strip search to be sexually degrading - and that, if nothing else, is what makes it sexually abusive.

I can point to loads of kids who think having the XBox taken away because they didn't do their homework is abusive, too. It's the reason why kids are kids. Teenagers are teenagers who, contrary to their own perceptions, don't know much about the world or life.

Of course, this is what makes them so vulnerable. So I see that side, too.

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[mnealtx 0]

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Have you read his book? It's pretty interesting stuff, actually.

You mean this one?

http://cnx.org/content/m22079/latest/cover22.png




Sorry. I try hard to crack myself up.

That DOES seem to be the liberal interpretation of any Black person that doesn't 'toe the line'*, doesn't it?

*cue Ted Rall, Harry Belafonte, Spike Lee, etc etc etc.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Remster 30]

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Why am I not surprised at the horrible thread tittle.....

Judges? Irony score, please?

Remster

[Andy9o8 2]

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I agree - to a point. The problem with me is that it creates blurry lines that are independent of the intent of actor.

In this instance, I don't care. People are held liable for reckless conduct that does not rise to the level of "willfulness" all the time - what you and I know as the "knew or should have known" standard. Despite his motive, an adult knows, or ought to realize, that a teenager is likely to feel sexually degraded by an involuntary strip search.

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I can point to loads of kids who think having the XBox taken away because they didn't do their homework is abusive, too. It's the reason why kids are kids. Teenagers are teenagers who, contrary to their own perceptions, don't know much about the world or life.

Analogies really don't fit here. This scenario is very fact-specific.