turtlespeed 226 #26 June 24, 2009 Quote Frances President Sarkozy says the burqa will not be welcome on french territory, I think it's great. Nothing worse than women looking like bee keepers. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528105,00.html?mep About Time!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 June 24, 2009 Quote in saudi a woman is not even allowed to drive a car, i highly doubt an f-15.. She was an American pilot at PSAB - I remember the incident.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #28 June 24, 2009 So you guys would be OK with outlawing habits for nuns? Interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #29 June 24, 2009 QuoteSo you guys would be OK with outlawing habits for nuns? Interesting. The Roman Catholic bikini team? Now I'm definitely not rejoining the Church. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #30 June 24, 2009 QuoteSo you guys would be OK with outlawing habits for nuns? Interesting. In France - Why Not?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #31 June 24, 2009 >In France . . . No, where you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #32 June 24, 2009 Quote>In France . . . No, where you are. That has nothiong to do with it. I am saying that it is about time France did something like this.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #33 June 24, 2009 > I am saying that it is about time France did something like this. Why France and not anywhere else? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #34 June 24, 2009 QuoteWhat about dress code in workplaces? How would you feel if you came to an appointment with a ninja? If it were my ninja, I'd feel quite well-protected. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #35 June 24, 2009 QuoteHere, we're talking about the rights of adults to wear particular garments. It seems to be that it's rather paternalistic to decide that they can't wear something because it's "bad" for them. Shouldn't they be allowed to decide for themselves what they want to wear? I agree with you, but doesn't the US do the same thing? Women aren't free to wear what they want and are restricted more than males are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #36 June 24, 2009 QuoteQuoteHere, we're talking about the rights of adults to wear particular garments. It seems to be that it's rather paternalistic to decide that they can't wear something because it's "bad" for them. Shouldn't they be allowed to decide for themselves what they want to wear? I agree with you, but doesn't the US do the same thing? Women aren't free to wear what they want and are restricted more than males are. Apples and oranges - different reason; and of course, it only applies to breasts, not the rest of the body. Having said that, I know lots of women who agree with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #37 June 24, 2009 QuoteApples and oranges - different reason I don't see a different reason. Forced modesty, just on a different scale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 June 24, 2009 QuoteQuoteApples and oranges - different reason I don't see a different reason. Forced modesty, just on a different scale. You owe beer - that's the first time I've ever seen "maintaining a professional appearance" conflated with "forced modesty".Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #39 June 24, 2009 QuoteQuoteApples and oranges - different reason I don't see a different reason. Forced modesty, just on a different scale. Yeah, I know; but I'm referring to the converse issue: prohibiting Muslim women from choosing to wear burqas is like prohibiting Western women from covering their breasts. (To Bonfire in 3, 2, 1 ..... ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #40 June 24, 2009 The post I replied to, nor any of the posts in that "thread" of posts spoke of "maintaining a professional appearance". Being forced to wear specific clothing, or being told what has to be covered while on public property is completely different from maintaining a professional appearance (which I am assuming you meant in the workplace or quite possibly in social circles). Both societies force women to cover certain partsof their bodies to maintain modest. The reasoning is the same, the scale is different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #41 June 24, 2009 QuoteSo you guys would be OK with outlawing habits for nuns? Interesting.[/repl[quote Nuns for the most part are not forced by fathers, husbands and such to wear a habit. When little girls are raised to believe they are of much less value than men I support the ban. The Islamic view on women is where the west was 500 years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #42 June 24, 2009 My apologies for misunderstanding your response - I still disagree. I must have missed hearing about the law that is preventing women from wearing skirts 1/2 inch below their hoo-ha and cutoff shirts with the bottom half of their breast showing in public, or wearing 'wicked weasel' bikinis at the beach - can you help a brother out? A thomas.loc.gov link will suffice, thanks.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #43 June 24, 2009 Quote> I am saying that it is about time France did something like this. Why France and not anywhere else? Because France did it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,114 #44 June 24, 2009 >Nuns for the most part are not forced by fathers, husbands and such to wear a habit. Uh, dude, they are indeed forced by the Catholic Church to wear habits. >When little girls are raised to believe they are of much less value than men I >support the ban. Nuns are told in no uncertain terms that they are of less value than men in the Catholic Church. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #45 June 24, 2009 QuoteNuns are told in no uncertain terms that they are of less value than men in the Catholic Church. Cite?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,114 #46 June 24, 2009 >Cite? Sure. We'll start with the old standby, Wikipedia: "The official position of the Roman Catholic Church, as expressed in the current canon law and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, is that "Only a baptized man validly receives sacred ordination." Insofar as priestly and episcopal ordination are concerned, the Church teaches that this requirement is a matter of divine law, and thus doctrinal." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #47 June 24, 2009 Fair enough.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jclalor 12 #48 June 24, 2009 Nuns choose to where habits as adults, Some Islamic women are forced to where the burqa from early puberty. Nuns are not beaten or killed for not wearing their habits and can leave anytime they like without fear of violence that some Islamic women live with on a daily basis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites turtlespeed 226 #49 June 24, 2009 Quote>Nuns for the most part are not forced by fathers, husbands and such to wear a habit. Uh, dude, they are indeed forced by the Catholic Church to wear habits. >When little girls are raised to believe they are of much less value than men I >support the ban. Nuns are told in no uncertain terms that they are of less value than men in the Catholic Church. The difference here is that the nun doesn't have to stay a nun, she can leave if the rules she has chosen and sworn to follow become distasteful to her.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redlegphi 0 #50 June 24, 2009 QuoteNuns choose to where habits as adults, Some Islamic women are forced to where the burqa from early puberty. Nuns are not beaten or killed for not wearing their habits and can leave anytime they like without fear of violence that some Islamic women live with on a daily basis. Outlawing the burqa is attempting to treat a symptom of the issue instead of addressing the issue itself. If France wants to prosecute men who beat or kill their wives/daughters/whatever for not wearing a burqa, more power to them. If they want to prosecute men for forcibly keep a woman from leaving the home without a burqa on, more power to them. However, believe it or not, there are some Islamic women who want to wear it, much like their are some Catholic women who choose to wear a nun's habit. They believe doing so brings them closer to God/Allah. Now I think most religious rituals like this are loony, but if they choose to wear such garb, then who are we (or France) to impinge on their religious rights to worship their God/Allah as they see fit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 2 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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mnealtx 0 #42 June 24, 2009 My apologies for misunderstanding your response - I still disagree. I must have missed hearing about the law that is preventing women from wearing skirts 1/2 inch below their hoo-ha and cutoff shirts with the bottom half of their breast showing in public, or wearing 'wicked weasel' bikinis at the beach - can you help a brother out? A thomas.loc.gov link will suffice, thanks.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #43 June 24, 2009 Quote> I am saying that it is about time France did something like this. Why France and not anywhere else? Because France did it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #44 June 24, 2009 >Nuns for the most part are not forced by fathers, husbands and such to wear a habit. Uh, dude, they are indeed forced by the Catholic Church to wear habits. >When little girls are raised to believe they are of much less value than men I >support the ban. Nuns are told in no uncertain terms that they are of less value than men in the Catholic Church. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #45 June 24, 2009 QuoteNuns are told in no uncertain terms that they are of less value than men in the Catholic Church. Cite?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #46 June 24, 2009 >Cite? Sure. We'll start with the old standby, Wikipedia: "The official position of the Roman Catholic Church, as expressed in the current canon law and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, is that "Only a baptized man validly receives sacred ordination." Insofar as priestly and episcopal ordination are concerned, the Church teaches that this requirement is a matter of divine law, and thus doctrinal." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #47 June 24, 2009 Fair enough.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #48 June 24, 2009 Nuns choose to where habits as adults, Some Islamic women are forced to where the burqa from early puberty. Nuns are not beaten or killed for not wearing their habits and can leave anytime they like without fear of violence that some Islamic women live with on a daily basis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #49 June 24, 2009 Quote>Nuns for the most part are not forced by fathers, husbands and such to wear a habit. Uh, dude, they are indeed forced by the Catholic Church to wear habits. >When little girls are raised to believe they are of much less value than men I >support the ban. Nuns are told in no uncertain terms that they are of less value than men in the Catholic Church. The difference here is that the nun doesn't have to stay a nun, she can leave if the rules she has chosen and sworn to follow become distasteful to her.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #50 June 24, 2009 QuoteNuns choose to where habits as adults, Some Islamic women are forced to where the burqa from early puberty. Nuns are not beaten or killed for not wearing their habits and can leave anytime they like without fear of violence that some Islamic women live with on a daily basis. Outlawing the burqa is attempting to treat a symptom of the issue instead of addressing the issue itself. If France wants to prosecute men who beat or kill their wives/daughters/whatever for not wearing a burqa, more power to them. If they want to prosecute men for forcibly keep a woman from leaving the home without a burqa on, more power to them. However, believe it or not, there are some Islamic women who want to wear it, much like their are some Catholic women who choose to wear a nun's habit. They believe doing so brings them closer to God/Allah. Now I think most religious rituals like this are loony, but if they choose to wear such garb, then who are we (or France) to impinge on their religious rights to worship their God/Allah as they see fit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
