dreamdancer 0 #1 June 20, 2009 science tells us this is so... QuoteOver the past two weeks, Americans struggled to make sense of tragic shootings that seemed disconnected at first glance. Anti-Semite James Von Brunn killed Stephen T. Johns, a black security guard at the Holocaust Museum. George Tiller's murder a few days earlier seemed to be about abortion, yet his shooter, Scott Roeder, also had roots in the racial purity movement. Yesterday, it was reported that the murders of Raul Flores and his daughter in Arizona were charged to three people with white supremacist ambitions. There's been lots of discussion about why hate crimes are rising and how to prevent future tragedies, yet we've largely missed the relationship between extremist racism and the less obvious version that plays out in our political debates. These shooters all felt that people of color (along with women and Jews) have stolen the birthright of white men. In his book "Kill the Best Gentiles," Von Brunn rails against "the calculated destruction of the White Race." Roeder was a member of the Montana Freemen; commenters on white supremacist websites praised him for ensuring that Tiller would never "kill another White baby." Flores' alleged murderers appear to have been preparing for a white uprising. Our discussion of these events has boiled down to the idea that racism is an intentional, violent act of a lone crazy white man. Underlying this idea, however, is the unspoken assumption that since we criminalized such hatred through civil rights laws, there's nothing else we can do as a country. Collectively, we bemoan the backwardness of "some" people before we move on, thinking of racism as isolated extremism. But social psychologists who developed the Implicit Associations Test at Harvard and the Universities of Virginia and Washington in 1998 tell us that notions of the innate goodness of white people and the equally innate badness of people of color are so deeply embedded in our minds that we're totally unaware of making such judgments. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/140791/the_white_supremacist_in_us/#morestay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #2 June 20, 2009 Quotescience tells us this is so... QuoteOver the past two weeks, Americans struggled to make sense of tragic shootings that seemed disconnected at first glance. Anti-Semite James Von Brunn killed Stephen T. Johns, a black security guard at the Holocaust Museum. George Tiller's murder a few days earlier seemed to be about abortion, yet his shooter, Scott Roeder, also had roots in the racial purity movement. Yesterday, it was reported that the murders of Raul Flores and his daughter in Arizona were charged to three people with white supremacist ambitions. There's been lots of discussion about why hate crimes are rising and how to prevent future tragedies, yet we've largely missed the relationship between extremist racism and the less obvious version that plays out in our political debates. These shooters all felt that people of color (along with women and Jews) have stolen the birthright of white men. In his book "Kill the Best Gentiles," Von Brunn rails against "the calculated destruction of the White Race." Roeder was a member of the Montana Freemen; commenters on white supremacist websites praised him for ensuring that Tiller would never "kill another White baby." Flores' alleged murderers appear to have been preparing for a white uprising. Our discussion of these events has boiled down to the idea that racism is an intentional, violent act of a lone crazy white man. Underlying this idea, however, is the unspoken assumption that since we criminalized such hatred through civil rights laws, there's nothing else we can do as a country. Collectively, we bemoan the backwardness of "some" people before we move on, thinking of racism as isolated extremism. But social psychologists who developed the Implicit Associations Test at Harvard and the Universities of Virginia and Washington in 1998 tell us that notions of the innate goodness of white people and the equally innate badness of people of color are so deeply embedded in our minds that we're totally unaware of making such judgments. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/140791/the_white_supremacist_in_us/#more So now alternet is science. Thanks for the daily worthless update from their website. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #3 June 20, 2009 QuoteQuotescience tells us this is so... QuoteOver the past two weeks, Americans struggled to make sense of tragic shootings that seemed disconnected at first glance. Anti-Semite James Von Brunn killed Stephen T. Johns, a black security guard at the Holocaust Museum. George Tiller's murder a few days earlier seemed to be about abortion, yet his shooter, Scott Roeder, also had roots in the racial purity movement. Yesterday, it was reported that the murders of Raul Flores and his daughter in Arizona were charged to three people with white supremacist ambitions. There's been lots of discussion about why hate crimes are rising and how to prevent future tragedies, yet we've largely missed the relationship between extremist racism and the less obvious version that plays out in our political debates. These shooters all felt that people of color (along with women and Jews) have stolen the birthright of white men. In his book "Kill the Best Gentiles," Von Brunn rails against "the calculated destruction of the White Race." Roeder was a member of the Montana Freemen; commenters on white supremacist websites praised him for ensuring that Tiller would never "kill another White baby." Flores' alleged murderers appear to have been preparing for a white uprising. Our discussion of these events has boiled down to the idea that racism is an intentional, violent act of a lone crazy white man. Underlying this idea, however, is the unspoken assumption that since we criminalized such hatred through civil rights laws, there's nothing else we can do as a country. Collectively, we bemoan the backwardness of "some" people before we move on, thinking of racism as isolated extremism. But social psychologists who developed the Implicit Associations Test at Harvard and the Universities of Virginia and Washington in 1998 tell us that notions of the innate goodness of white people and the equally innate badness of people of color are so deeply embedded in our minds that we're totally unaware of making such judgments. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/140791/the_white_supremacist_in_us/#more So now alternet is science. Thanks for the daily worthless update from their website. ...social psychologists who developed the Implicit Associations Test at Harvard and the Universities of Virginia and Washington in 1998 tell us that notions of the innate goodness of white people and the equally innate badness of people of color are so deeply embedded in our minds that we're totally unaware of making such judgments...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #4 June 20, 2009 QuoteIn 1968 a school teacher decided to try a horrid experiment on her students. Her objective was to teach children that racism was unfair. The way she went about the experiment was to affect the children's lives - some of them forever. In the late 60's there was much turmoil between blacks and whites. It was the era where times were changing and blacks were beginning to fight for their rights and many whites were extremely upset over the situation. In trying to teach her all-white classrooms about racial equality she ran into some hurdles since most of them had never seen a black person. The teacher decided to play a pretty mean trick on the kids telling them that people with green or blue eyes were clever and most likely to succeed. She told them that those with green or blue eyes were superior to those with brown eyes. In addition, she told them, those with brown eyes were considered by many to be stupid, lazy, and untrustworthy. She put arm bands on the kids to distinguish which ones were the inferior beings. The brown-eyed students were not allowed to drink from the same water fountain and the blue and green-eyed kids were praised for being wonderful students. Almost immediately the kids with blue or green eyes began to treat their brown-eyed classmates with disrespect and were even cruel. Previous best friends became worst enemies and other kids were left hurt and crying. The brown-eyed kids became more cowering and scared and even allowed the other students to treat them badly. The damage began to show in the students' school work. Although the fair-eyed students were suddenly able to complete work well above their normal level the dark-eyed students began having problems with completing even simple assignments. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8066/racism_experiments_of_the_1960s.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #5 June 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteIn 1968 a school teacher decided to try a horrid experiment on her students. Her objective was to teach children that racism was unfair. The way she went about the experiment was to affect the children's lives - some of them forever. In the late 60's there was much turmoil between blacks and whites. It was the era where times were changing and blacks were beginning to fight for their rights and many whites were extremely upset over the situation. In trying to teach her all-white classrooms about racial equality she ran into some hurdles since most of them had never seen a black person. The teacher decided to play a pretty mean trick on the kids telling them that people with green or blue eyes were clever and most likely to succeed. She told them that those with green or blue eyes were superior to those with brown eyes. In addition, she told them, those with brown eyes were considered by many to be stupid, lazy, and untrustworthy. She put arm bands on the kids to distinguish which ones were the inferior beings. The brown-eyed students were not allowed to drink from the same water fountain and the blue and green-eyed kids were praised for being wonderful students. Almost immediately the kids with blue or green eyes began to treat their brown-eyed classmates with disrespect and were even cruel. Previous best friends became worst enemies and other kids were left hurt and crying. The brown-eyed kids became more cowering and scared and even allowed the other students to treat them badly. The damage began to show in the students' school work. Although the fair-eyed students were suddenly able to complete work well above their normal level the dark-eyed students began having problems with completing even simple assignments. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8066/racism_experiments_of_the_1960s.html What the fuck does that have to do with white supremacy in the US? If we wanted to read crap from alternet when we'd go to the website ourselves. Try putting together one opinion or argrument on your own and try again. I 100% guarantee everyeone in this forum is tired of reading that bullshit. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #6 June 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteIn 1968 a school teacher decided to try a horrid experiment on her students. Her objective was to teach children that racism was unfair. The way she went about the experiment was to affect the children's lives - some of them forever. In the late 60's there was much turmoil between blacks and whites. It was the era where times were changing and blacks were beginning to fight for their rights and many whites were extremely upset over the situation. In trying to teach her all-white classrooms about racial equality she ran into some hurdles since most of them had never seen a black person. The teacher decided to play a pretty mean trick on the kids telling them that people with green or blue eyes were clever and most likely to succeed. She told them that those with green or blue eyes were superior to those with brown eyes. In addition, she told them, those with brown eyes were considered by many to be stupid, lazy, and untrustworthy. She put arm bands on the kids to distinguish which ones were the inferior beings. The brown-eyed students were not allowed to drink from the same water fountain and the blue and green-eyed kids were praised for being wonderful students. Almost immediately the kids with blue or green eyes began to treat their brown-eyed classmates with disrespect and were even cruel. Previous best friends became worst enemies and other kids were left hurt and crying. The brown-eyed kids became more cowering and scared and even allowed the other students to treat them badly. The damage began to show in the students' school work. Although the fair-eyed students were suddenly able to complete work well above their normal level the dark-eyed students began having problems with completing even simple assignments. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8066/racism_experiments_of_the_1960s.html What the fuck does that have to do with white supremacy in the US? If we wanted to read crap from alternet when we'd go to the website ourselves. Try putting together one opinion or argrument on your own and try again. I 100% guarantee everyeone in this forum is tired of reading that bullshit. some more science for you... QuoteAfter this continued for a few days the teacher made the announcement that she had gotten it all wrong. In actuality, she said, the brown-eyed students were superior, smart and successful and the blue and green-eyed students were the inferior of the kids. Suddenly the reverse happened: the brown-eyed students, although they knew how it felt to be mistreated, began to treat the other students poorly. The blue and green-eyed students began having difficulty in school but the dark-eyed students progressed rapidly in the next few days. Having been told that some people were inferior those in the superior category fell right into line and not one stood up for the inferior students, even though some of them were formerly best friends. And when the order was switched not one student, who had experienced what it was like to be inferior and treated poorly, stepped up to defend the inferior students. Although the experiment did prove that simple suggestions can cause us to deeply hate one another, for no reason, it was also a cruel and demonic experiment. Some of the relationships never healed, even after an explanation of the entire experiment was explained to the students. And some of these students, interviewed much later in life, revealed that this experiment impacted their entire lives - some in a negative way. In years gone by many horrible experiments were done on people of all ages, colors and religions. Some of the experiments did manage to prove their point but the damage done was often immeasurable. We can all learn a little something from this experiment, though: colors don't matter. People are people no matter what color their eyes, skin or hair. Thankfully these types of experiments no longer take place since we're more aware, as a society, of the mistreatment of kids in days past. And hopefully, we have learned not to influence our kids in a negative way by making comments about anyone being less important. Remember, all it takes is the mere suggestion... http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8066/racism_experiments_of_the_1960s_pg2.html?cat=4stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #7 June 20, 2009 Why not take the test yourself? https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/research/www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #8 June 20, 2009 QuoteWhy not take the test yourself? https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/research/ is it a pass/fail test or an experiment about human nature?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #9 June 20, 2009 Do you ever have thoughts of your own or do you only post what is on alternet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #10 June 20, 2009 QuoteDo you ever have thoughts of your own or do you only post what is on alternet? what do you think these experiments reveal about human nature?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #11 June 20, 2009 That some people feel guilty about being white. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #12 June 20, 2009 QuoteThat some people feel guilty about being white. but not you?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #13 June 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteDo you ever have thoughts of your own or do you only post what is on alternet? what do you think these experiments reveal about human nature? That you can't seem to answer a direct question?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #14 June 20, 2009 QuoteWhy not take the test yourself? https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/research/ Well, I just murdered 20 minutes of my time taking this test. The results: QuoteYour data suggest little or no preference for Vabbenif compared Reemolap. Coulda toldya that w/o taking the test. And that's why I'm qualified to play the race card: I am pure of thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #15 June 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhy not take the test yourself? https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/research/ Well, I just murdered 20 minutes of my time taking this test. The results: QuoteYour data suggest little or no preference for Vabbenif compared Reemolap. Coulda toldya that w/o taking the test. And that's why I'm qualified to play the race card: I am pure of thought. It took you 20 minutes? Took me 5.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #16 June 20, 2009 QuoteIt took you 20 minutes? Took me 5. I kept getting my left finger confused with my right. They look so similar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #17 June 20, 2009 QuoteQuoteIt took you 20 minutes? Took me 5. I kept getting my left finger confused with my right. They look so similar. Ah yes...I'm ambidextrous so....www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #18 June 20, 2009 let's bring the 'libertarians/anarchists' into the melting pot (don't mention the dollar isn't real) Quote Examining the libertarian position on racism and racial discrimination is particularly fascinating, and makes clear the degree to which those who cleave to this ideology are living in a world completely divorced from reality. According to libertarians, racial discrimination in the workforce cannot occur to any real extent in a market economy, because it is fundamentally irrational and would cost employers money. Even though the current U.S. economy is not a pure free market, most libertarians likewise claim that racism in the labor market is rare today, and for this same reason: namely, that to discriminate against a more qualified worker of color just because of his or her race would result in that employer losing money, relative to their non-racist competitors who would presumably snatch up the passed over employees and reap the benefits of doing so. To the extent that there are large racial differences in income, wealth, or occupational status, libertarians assume this must be the result of people of color being objectively less qualified. Passing a person of color over for a certain job or promotion is therefore not evidence of racism, but merely a rational calculation of merit. http://www.lipmagazine.org/articles/featwise_196_p.htmstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #19 June 20, 2009 Quote (don't mention the dollar isn't real) What, the pound is?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
