dmcoco84 5 #1 June 18, 2009 I'm a home grown American citizen, 53, registered Democrat all my life. Before the last presidential election I registered as a Republican because I no longer felt the Democratic Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. Now I no longer feel the Republican Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. The fact is I no longer feel any political party or representative in Washington represents my views or works to pursue the issues important to me. There must be someone. Please tell me who you are. Please stand up and tell me that you are there and that you're willing to fight for our Constitution as it was written. Please stand up now. You might ask yourself what my views and issues are that I would horribly feel so disenfranchised by both major political parties. What kind of nut job am I? Will you please tell me? Well, these are briefly my views and issues for which I seek representation: One, illegal immigration. I want you to stop coddling illegal immigrants and secure our borders. Close the underground tunnels. Stop the violence and the trafficking in drugs and people. No amnesty, not again. Been there, done that, no resolution. P.S., I'm not a racist. This isn't to be confused with legal immigration. Two, the TARP bill, I want it repealed and I want no further funding supplied to it. We told you no, but you did it anyway. I want the remaining unfunded 95% repealed. Freeze, repeal. Three: Czars, I want the circumvention of our checks and balances stopped immediately. Fire the czars. No more czars. Government officials answer to the process, not to the president. Stop trampling on our Constitution and honor it. Four, cap and trade. The debate on global warming is not over. There is more to say. Five, universal healthcare. I will not be rushed into another expensive decision. Don't you dare try to pass this in the middle of the night and then go on break. Slow down! Six, growing government control. I want states rights and sovereignty fully restored. I want less government in my life, not more. Shrink it down. Mind your own business. You have enough to take care of with your real obligations. Why don't you start there. Seven, ACORN. I do not want ACORN and its affiliates in charge of our 2010 census. I want them investigated. I also do not want mandatory escrow fees contributed to them every time on every real estate deal that closes. Stop the funding to ACORN and its affiliates pending impartial audits and investigations. I do not trust them with taking the census over with our taxpayer money. I don't trust them with our taxpayer money. Face up to the allegations against them and get it resolved before taxpayers get any more involved with them. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, hello. Stop protecting your political buddies. You work for us, the people. Investigate. Eight, redistribution of wealth. No, no, no. I work for my money. It is mine. I have always worked for people with more money than I have because they gave me jobs. That is the only redistribution of wealth that I will support. I never got a job from a poor person. Why do you want me to hate my employers? Why ?? what do you have against shareholders making a profit? Nine, charitable contributions. Although I never got a job from a poor person, I have helped many in need. Charity belongs in our local communities, where we know our needs best and can use our local talent and our local resources. Butt out, please. We want to do it ourselves. Ten, corporate bailouts. Knock it off. Sink or swim like the rest of us. If there are hard times ahead, we'll be better off just getting into it and letting the strong survive. Quick and painful. Have you ever ripped off a Band?Aid? We will pull together. Great things happen in America under great hardship. Give us the chance to innovate. We cannot disappoint you more than you have disappointed us. Eleven, transparency and accountability. How about it? No, really, how about it? Let's have it. Let's say we give the buzzwords a rest and have some straight honest talk. Please try ?? please stop manipulating and trying to appease me with clever wording. I am not the idiot you obviously take me for. Stop sneaking around and meeting in back rooms making deals with your friends. It will only be a prelude to your criminal investigation. Stop hiding things from me. Twelve, unprecedented quick spending. Stop it now. Take a breath. Listen to the people. Let's just slow down and get some input from some nonpoliticians on the subject. Stop making everything an emergency. Stop speed reading our bills into law. I am not an activist. I am not a community organizer. Nor am I a terrorist, a militant or a violent person. I am a parent and a grandparent. I work. I'm busy. I'm busy. I am busy, and I am tired. I thought we elected competent people to take care of the business of government so that we could work, raise our families, pay our bills, have a little recreation, complain about taxes, endure our hardships, pursue our personal goals, cut our lawn, wash our cars on the weekends and be responsible contributing members of society and teach our children to be the same all while living in the home of the free and land of the brave. I entrusted you with upholding the Constitution. I believed in the checks and balances to keep from getting far off course. What happened? You are very far off course. Do you really think I find humor in the hiring of a speed reader to unintelligently ramble all through a bill that you signed into law without knowing what it contained? I do not. It is a mockery of the responsibility I have entrusted to you. It is a slap in the face. I am not laughing at your arrogance. Why is it that I feel as if you would not trust me to make a single decision about my own life and how I would live it but you should expect that I should trust you with the debt that you have laid on all of us and our children. We did not want the TARP bill. We said no. We would repeal it if we could. I’m not so sure that we still cannot. There is such urgency and recklessness in all of the recent spending. From my perspective, it seems that all of you have gone insane. I also know that I am far from alone in these feelings. Do you honestly feel that your current pursuits have merit to patriotic Americans? We want it to stop. We want to put the brakes on everything that is being rushed by us and forced upon us. We want our voice back. You have forced us to put our lives on hold to straighten out the mess that you are making. We will have to give up our vacations, our time spent with our children, any relaxation time we may have had and money we cannot afford to spend on you to bring our concerns to Washington. Our president often knows all the right buzzwords to say. His favorite new one is unsustainable. Well, no kidding. How many tens of thousands of dollars did the focus group cost to come up with that word? We don't want your overpriced words. Stop treating us like we're morons. We want all of you to stop focusing on your reelection and do the job we want done, not the job you want done or the job your party wants done. You work for us and at this rate I guarantee you not for long because we are coming. We will be heard and we will be represented. You think we're so busy with our lives that we will never come for you? We are the formerly silent majority, all of us who quietly work, pay taxes, obey the law, vote, save money, keep our noses to the grindstone and we are now looking up at you. You have awakened us, the patriotic spirit so strong and so powerful that it had been sleeping too long. You have pushed us too far. Our numbers are great. They may surprise you. For every one of us who will be there, there will be hundreds more that could not come. Unlike you, we have their trust. We will represent them honestly, rest assured. They will be at the polls on voting day to usher you out of office. We have cancelled vacations. We will use our last few dollars saved. We will find the representation among us and a grassroots campaign will flourish. We didn't ask for this fight. But the gloves are coming off. We do not come in violence, but we are angry. You will represent us or you will be replaced with someone who will. There are candidates among us who will rise like a Phoenix from the ashes that you have made of our constitution. Democrat, Republican, independent, libertarian. Understand this. We don't care. Political parties are meaningless to us. Patriotic Americans are willing to do right by us and our Constitution and that is all that matters to us now. We are going to fire all of you who abuse power and seek more. It is not your power. It is ours and we want it back. We entrusted you with it and you abused it. You are dishonorable. You are dishonest. As Americans we are ashamed of you. You have brought shame to us. If you are not representing the wants and needs of your constituency loudly and consistently, in spite of the objections of your party, you will be fired. Did you hear? We no longer care about your political parties. You need to be loyal to us, not to them. Because we will get you fired and they will not save you. If you do or can represent me, my issues, my views, please stand up. Make your identity known. You need to make some noise about it. Speak up. I need to know who you are. If you do not speak up, you will be herded out with the rest of the sheep and we will replace the whole damn congress if need be one by one. We are coming. Are we coming for you? Who do you represent? What do you represent? Listen. Because we are coming. We the people are coming. 1/17/09: “I talked to this woman today… She said to me: I don’t want to be this person. I’ve never been this person. I’m a grandma. But they’ve forced me to do it. We have been fools to trust them for so long.” Glenn Beck: “I got a letter from a woman in Arizona, a viewer and radio listener of mine. She writes… An Open Letter to our Nation's Leadership” I would sign this letter! Would you? David Coco Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #2 June 18, 2009 (replies to the author, not the poster) > I want you to stop coddling illegal immigrants and secure our borders. Who pays for that? By even optimistic estimates, that's a hundred billion dollar proposition. How much $$ are you willing to put into it? >Two, the TARP bill, I want it repealed and I want no further funding >supplied to it. I'm with you there. Once the economy is even close to stable, end the program. >Three: Czars, I want the circumvention of our checks and balances >stopped immediately. Fire the czars. Dumb approach. Who cares what government officials are called? Should we fire "bosses" and "bureaucrats" next? If this was actually a suggestion for executive power limitation it might be a good idea. >Four, cap and trade. The debate on global warming is not over. There >is more to say. Agreed. But the debate on the use of military force is not over, either. Doesn't mean we should get rid of the military. We keep them around because having a military is better than not having one, not because "the debate is over." >Six, growing government control. I want states rights and sovereignty >fully restored. Do you use the US interstate system? How about air traffic control? I don't think you'd like some of the results of "fully restoring" state control of everything, although it might work out if you gave enough time for the transition. >Eight, redistribution of wealth. No, no, no. Above you seemed to want to "redistribute wealth" to the people who will build the border fences. So which is it? Steal money out of citizen's pockets to build that fence, or open our borders 100% and not spend any more money on them? There ain't no such thing as a free lunch - which is why all such decisions are compromises between two extremes. >Ten, corporate bailouts. Knock it off. Agreed. Enough already. >Take a breath. Listen to the people. I don't think you really mean that. Here's what the people are saying: Research 2000, Adults MoE 2%, Jun 08, 2009 - Jun 11, 2009 Favorability ratings: Obama 64% Congressional democrats 42% Congressional republicans 12% From the looks of things, "listening to the people" means listening to Obama and ignoring congressional republicans. I don't think that's what you meant. > You have forced us to put our lives on hold to straighten out the >mess that you are making. ?? Seems like the biggest mess of the past two years was made by people who wanted to get rich quick. People like her. >Democrat, Republican, independent, libertarian. Understand this. >We don't care. Political parties are meaningless to us. Unfortunately not true for most americans. >I would sign this letter! Would you? Nope. She's got some good ideas, but unfortunately it's lost in all the anger and desire for revenge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 June 18, 2009 So a fan of the Glenn Beck show writes him a letter and parrots exactly the same crap Glenn Beck says day after day. Wow, that IS "unbelievable."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #4 June 18, 2009 Fairly moronic/simplistic views/demands of the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #5 June 18, 2009 Quoteanger and desire for revenge. WTF??? Oh, I forgot.. she dared speak out against the Precedent...that obviously makes her a 'bitter clinger', right?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 June 18, 2009 QuoteOh, I forgot.. she dared speak out against the Precedent... Is that a typo or the newest way to ding the first black President?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 June 18, 2009 QuoteQuoteOh, I forgot.. she dared speak out against the Precedent... Is that a typo or the newest way to ding the first black President? Still trying to play that race card, Paul?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 June 18, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteOh, I forgot.. she dared speak out against the Precedent... Is that a typo or the newest way to ding the first black President? Still trying to play that race card, Paul? Just trying to keep track of those that do. So, which is it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 June 18, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOh, I forgot.. she dared speak out against the Precedent... Is that a typo or the newest way to ding the first black President? Still trying to play that race card, Paul? Just trying to keep track of those that do. So, which is it? Then your name should be on the top of the list.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 June 18, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOh, I forgot.. she dared speak out against the Precedent... Is that a typo or the newest way to ding the first black President? Still trying to play that race card, Paul? Just trying to keep track of those that do. So, which is it? Then your name should be on the top of the list. Mike, I absolutely love how you can't admit a fault. You can't even say you made a typo. Amazing.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #11 June 18, 2009 QuoteHere's what the people are saying: Research 2000, Adults MoE 2%, Jun 08, 2009 - Jun 11, 2009 Favorability ratings: Obama 64% Congressional democrats 42% Congressional republicans 12% From the looks of things, "listening to the people" means listening to Obama and ignoring congressional republicans. I don't think that's what you meant. Did you read the NYT article yesterday, about the most recent poll results? It was very interesting. The upshot was that while a majority (I think there number was higher than the one you posted) of Americans think the President is doing a good job, only a minority (less than 50%) support his healthcare plan, support the bailouts, support increasing government debt, believing that his stimulus plan is actually helping the economy, or believing there is a credible plan for reducing the deficit. The only major policy area where the administration had better then 50% approval was foreign policy (where they just appear to be reading from the last administration's playbook). Basically, while the people appear to like Obama, they are a bit less enthusiastic about his actual policies, at least on the domestic front.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #12 June 18, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOh, I forgot.. she dared speak out against the Precedent... Is that a typo or the newest way to ding the first black President? Still trying to play that race card, Paul? Just trying to keep track of those that do. So, which is it? Then your name should be on the top of the list. Mike, I absolutely love how you can't admit a fault. You can't even say you made a typo. Amazing. You're the one that made the first mention of race - why SHOULDN'T your name be on top of the list, Paul? FYI: It wasn't a typo.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 June 18, 2009 QuoteYou're the one that made the first mention of race - why SHOULDN'T your name be on top of the list, Paul? FYI: It wasn't a typo. If it wasn't a typo, then I beg to differ on who first brought race into the thread. I simply called you out on it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #14 June 18, 2009 game set match? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 June 18, 2009 I'm wondering where Bill is cherry-picking his numbers from. Per Rasmussen Daily Presidential approval rating: Strongly agree 35% Strongly disagree 33% Approval rating: +2 Generic Congressional Ballot: Dem: 39% GOP: 39% On the Issues: Democrats Republicans Health Care 47% 37% Education 44% 37% Social Security 43% 37% Abortion 41% 41% Economy 39% 45% Taxes 39% 44% Iraq 37% 45% Nat'l Security 36% 51% Gov't Ethics 29% 35% Immigration 29% 43% Stat of the day: Is the US heading in the right direction? Right direction 38% Wrong track 58%Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 June 18, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou're the one that made the first mention of race - why SHOULDN'T your name be on top of the list, Paul? FYI: It wasn't a typo. If it wasn't a typo, then I beg to differ on who first brought race into the thread. I simply called you out on it. Prove it. Show where I mentioned race AT ALL in my post, much less in a disfavorable light. I'll wait.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #17 June 18, 2009 Perhaps you can help me out because I'm having a difficult time seeing where you find the race card, or race at all, in "Precedant"www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #18 June 18, 2009 I’d be glad to pay for a border fence; I’ll help build it too! It’s apart of our national security; maybe some of those wasted TARP funds could have been used. Oh, and it was mandated by congress to be built too, way back… guess they changed their minds. Why? Especially when Saudi Arabia is building a fence, on its border with Iraq… Glenn Beck screamed at Bill Clinton in 1998, when he was on CNN, watch out for Bin Laden… when he said, ”American bodies and blood will run the streets of NYC.” He was also handed to Clinton is a bow tie… but politics got in the way. Ridiculous... Well… here is the next attack…. and they are already coming across the border. Arabs are being caught alongside Mexicans, do your homework… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M32M-2B2mz8 And don’t even give me some BS about he is a nut, or just a professor. He was a friend of Bin Laden. Once the economy is stable? Bro… the Fed, and Congress are causing it, and with everything they are doing, they are making it worse. They are printing money out of thin air…! We aren’t going to get “stable”… its unsustainable. And they are showing no signs of stopping… Who cares what they are called? You gotta be kidding me! Did you know that under FDR… Czars were called Dictators? Yea… they were, do you homework. Cap and trade, and stealing money to pay for a fence… you sound like a lobbyist. Bunch of misdirection. Cap and tax, is all about money and power. Look at Spain, they already did everything our government is looking to do. It killed industry, did nothing for global warming and has left the country in terrible shape. I’m willing to pay taxing, if they go to beneficial things. I’d rather pay for a fence, then have Illegal Aliens being treated in our hospitals. Even hear in VA, I work in an ER! I’m sorry… but when I get hurt in Europe for BASE, I have to pay. It’s expensive! Illegal Aliens don’t pay! The common phrase I hear with Obama… people like Obama, they just don’t like his policies. Hmmm… I’m sorry. I don’t remember the executive branch being put in place to be an American Idol contest. I don’t give a rat’s ass if he is a nice guy or a good dad. Does he believe in the principles and values we were founded on? Does he run his administration according to them? Hasn’t shown that to be true yet… and I doubt he will. He is a hypocrite… he has continued the Patriot Act and Rendition. Yea, we don’t torture, but we send them to other countries, and they do. And once everything our leadership has done truly starts to take affect, IT HASN’T YET, people will see, and more people will be waking up. You two kill me… when are you gonna wake up? What is it gonna take for you to wake up? I’ll be posting in the next few days on American Progressivism. The cancer that is killing our country… Teddy, Wilson, and FDR… both democrat and republican. The lost of our republic started with these men. Their principles and values, different from America’s… gave us the Federal Reserve. Oh and FDR’s uncle was on the original Board of Directors. Because he has ties to big bankers… he was corrupt! I’m looking forward to your responses. It’s unbelievable… because she woke up! Because she wasn’t a Glenn Beck fan, and she wasn’t the type of person who would stand up and fight. Revenge, nope… we just want our country back. I am angry… with all of them. All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #19 June 18, 2009 >Oh, I forgot.. she dared speak out against the Precedent...that obviously >makes her a 'bitter clinger', right? Nope. Plenty of people speak out against the president - and have done so. Most can present their case pretty well. But when you use terms like: stop manipulating I am not the idiot you obviously take me for stop sneaking around all of you have gone insane you have pushed us too far then your point is lost amongst the emotionally charged buzzwords and attacks. Look at it this way. If you were in the market for a car, and salesman #1 listed all the features of his brand, and #2 said "look, I'm not the idiot you take me for, you are buying this fucking car or you're insane" - you would probably listen to salesman #1 over salesman #2. Not because one car was better, or because someone said that #2 was a bad man - but because #2 obviously has some issues he has to work out. Like I said, she makes some good points. Hopefully someone will be able to make them better than she can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #20 June 18, 2009 >only a minority (less than 50%) support his healthcare plan, support the >bailouts, support increasing government debt, believing that his stimulus >plan is actually helping the economy, or believing there is a credible plan >for reducing the deficit. Agreed to all of those things. Indeed, you'd probably get a similar result if you asked people about their dentists. They might dislike just about everything about going to the dentist, but they might still like their dentist - because they like the results. Obama has another three years to try to prove that he can do the job before he is "judged" again. It will be interesting to see how he does. If he can do half of what he promised I'll be pretty impressed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #21 June 18, 2009 >I’d be glad to pay for a border fence . . . OK, cool. I'll put you down in the "tax and spend" column then. (Nothing wrong with taxation and spending to accomplish a goal, of course.) >Glenn Beck screamed at Bill Clinton in 1998, when he was on CNN, watch out >for Bin Laden… Yep. And a presidential briefing told Bush just before 9/11 that Bin Laden was determined to strike in the US, targeting buildings and using aircraft. Bush's response was to go on vacation. Several people dropped the ball there. >Once the economy is stable? Bro… the Fed, and Congress are causing it . . . Dude, WE caused it. We caused it by getting mortgages we couldn't afford and by speculating on debt instruments we didn't understand. Congress/the Fed may have a small effect on the economy, but we cause crashes and we make the recovery happen. >It killed industry, did nothing for global warming and has left the country >in terrible shape. We did nothing. It killed industry, did nothing for global warming, and left our economy in terrible shape. (But somehow I think there was more to do with both Spain and the US economy than cap and trade.) >I don’t remember the executive branch being put in place to be an >American Idol contest. Then vote for someone else next time. Or move to a country that does not have such an annoying system of electing our government representatives. Monarchies, for example, are not popularity contests. >Who cares what they are called? You gotta be kidding me! Did you >know that under FDR… Czars were called Dictators? Who the hell cares if they are called Czars or Dictators or Expeditors or Servants of the People? I don't. I care what they DO. It almost sounds like if Obama changed their names from Czar to Prime Public Servants that you would be 100% OK with that. Is that the case? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 June 18, 2009 QuotePerhaps you can help me out because I'm having a difficult time seeing where you find the race card, or race at all, in "Precedant" What else could he possibly be referring to? Seriously. He (or more likely someone more clever than him who he's parroting) thinks they've found some new code word that can fly by undetected. It's bullshit hidden racism. Call him the President, call him Obama, call him BHO and that's all fine by me. Calling him the "Precedent" is bringing his race into the topic.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #23 June 18, 2009 So what you're saying is any criticism of Obama is race driven?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #24 June 18, 2009 QuoteObama has another three years to try to prove that he can do the job before he is "judged" again. It will be interesting to see how he does. If he can do half of what he promised I'll be pretty impressed. If he can reduce the deficit (and resulting debt), without raising taxes, I'll be very impressed. In fact, if he can do that, I'll vote for him.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #25 June 18, 2009 QuoteDude, WE caused it. We caused it by getting mortgages we couldn't afford and by speculating on debt instruments we didn't understand. Causation is hotly debated. Do you really think the consumer public would have caused that particular problem were it not stated government policy to "encourage home ownership" even when such encouragement meant chartering corporations whose main purpose was to get people to take out mortgages?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
