Racist photo?

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And anyone that thinks "cunt" is acceptable is a sexist pig.

Check yourself before you start calling out others.

If you actually wanted to learn anyhting from participating in these forums you would have learned that 'cunt' is not a gender specific term, go back and read the thread instead if being a short sighted post whore, and you may actualy learn something for a change.

In my opinion, if someone is interacting with a group and PURPOSELY and REPETITIVELY uses words with questionable/offensive meanings to that audience, then he/she is either baiting or doesn't care.

If you know something is offensive to someone... EVEN IF it isn't to you... the RESPECTFUL discourse would not include that term. Find a different word - there are plenty out there. If you feel you HAVE to use THAT SPECIFIC one.... why?

On this site, we have MANY different nations and MANY different beliefs. And although it's difficulty to be "PC" to all of them, at attempt at "respectful" would be a nice change. Now... I'm sure that my opinion, as just a "Seppo" probably doesn't mean much of anything to you, so I'm not really laying a bet on that change.

Back to the original topic.

The picture of the Presidents.

Not funny, in my opinion. It is racist. But I ALSO think the baboon caricatures are wrong. Which is "more wrong"? Probably this one, but that SHOULD not excuse the others.

I might not agree with President Obama on certain topics. Nor did I always agree with President Bush. But BOTH are/were Presidents of the United States. Political satire as always been part of history... since the court jesters .... but that doesn't mean what the jester says is "right." You also have to look at the INTENT of the satire - is it to simply point out a bad decision or a policy or is it just a personal attack. This picture is just a personal attack.

It was TRULY wrong that a Republican legislative aide sent it out in a mass email. She SHOULD be fired. She is allowed to have her opinions, but when that opinion interferes with her ability to work, then she needs a new job.

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In my opinion, if someone is interacting with a group and PURPOSELY and REPETITIVELY uses words with questionable/offensive meanings to that audience, then he/she is either baiting or doesn't care.

I do actually care, alot. i am offended by the image and have negro freinds as well as pacific islanders, maori, and other dark skiined pals that would be even more offended by it, i called these people cunts (Used as a disparaging term for a person one dislikes or finds extremely disagreeable.) because it is my right to think that way and say so.

This is a forum not specifically intended for bible belt dwelling, racist, hypocritical morons.

Did it ever occur to you that the racism represented in that picture, is remenicint of the pain and suffering of millions of people, I have been to east africa where many slaves were traded, visited the buildings and had guides (negros) explaining the suffering and brutality that went on.

Racism is not funny, and disrespecting the presedent in such a vular mannar should result in the loss of right to vote.

If there is anyone that cares it is me, you obviously dont understand very well?

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If you know something is offensive to someone... EVEN IF it isn't to you... the RESPECTFUL discourse would not include that term. Find a different word - there are plenty out there. If you feel you HAVE to use THAT SPECIFIC one.... why?

Considering the thread is about a deeply disrespectful subject, the same could be said about posting the picture in the first place.

The word cunt is not 'so' offensive where I come froM (though I wouldn't go saying it around elderly out of respect) but highly offensive here in the USA, racisim is vice vera and you could say I am fighting fire with fire.

It is my right and it is not a personal attack to state that I believe that those that voted that the image was funny are nothing more than racist cunts!

I stand by my statement.

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On this site, we have MANY different nations and MANY different beliefs. And although it's difficulty to be "PC" to all of them, at attempt at "respectful" would be a nice change. Now... I'm sure that my opinion, as just a "Seppo" probably doesn't mean much of anything to you, so I'm not really laying a bet on that change.

seppo/ septic tank is cockney rhyme, and is not specifially meaned to describe americans as a tank full of faecies!

http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/english[url]/alternatives/4666


if the word cunt can be used in the title of a bonfire thread, it can b used in the speakers corner.

it is meaned to decribe the negative nature of the person being call such a term.

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It was TRULY wrong that a Republican legislative aide sent it out in a mass email. She SHOULD be fired. She is allowed to have her opinions, but when that opinion interferes with her ability to work, then she needs a new job.

I agree entirely

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[Jim_Hooper 4]

Having spent much of the last 25 years reporting from various countries in Africa - and written a number of books on conflict there - I can say that the educated black Africans I know would find our Kiwi correspondent's comments extremely paternalistic and patronizing. Others would be laughing at him behind his back. Their attitude would be that they really don't need - or want - to be defended by someone as pig-ignorent and ill-mannered as this individual. His obsessive self-righteousness in letting us all know that "some-of-my-best-friends-aren't-white", along with an equally unbalanced urge to be deliberately offensive to everyone, raises some fairly interesting questions best left to a psychoanalyst (though "transference" comes to mind). He's a silly and inadequate little person - the product, I suspect, of over-indulgent parents - who desperately craves attention.

As far as the subject of this thread, I've just come back from a month in Ethiopia, south Sudan, Uganda and Kenya. The reaction to the Obama poster was, "Who cares? Ready for another beer?" They would have found Master Kiwi's rantings irrelevant and embarrassing. And would definitely have laughed at him behind his back. As we all should.

www.jimhooper.co.uk

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I can say that the educated black Africans I know would find our Kiwi correspondent's comments extremely paternalistic and patronizing. Others would be laughing at him behind his back.

It depends on where you stand on racism is I suppose.

I bet there are plenty of dipshit racists that would have laughed, check the stats on the poll.

Define educated black africans?

We rented a house off some so called educated black africans that were making a killing (millions of dollars) in the tourism industry. they paid thier local staff half of the minimum wage, $35 per month, we doubled it (for our gardener and ascari) and gave them more holidays.

While we were there two of the staff of the said educated africans died of exposure on mount kilimanjaro due to having inadequate clothing and footwear. they would ascend the mountain more frequntly than is advised due the the lack of pay they recieved, while down the road is a market that sells second hand clothes with down jackets and hiking boots for less than $5 (from aid) yet they were too cheap to supply them.

not the case for all, but definately then norm.

If there was ever a bad example, you just made it!

You obviously don't oppose poverty? or uneven distribution of wealth? because your rationale is stupid and you defend blatant racists.

you should be the one to ignore!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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And anyone that thinks "cunt" is acceptable is a sexist pig.

Check yourself before you start calling out others.

If you actually wanted to learn anyhting from participating in these forums you would have learned that 'cunt' is not a gender specific term, go back and read the thread instead if being a short sighted post whore, and you may actualy learn something for a change.

I've read the thread and stand by my post, regardless of your OPINION of the term.

Mike
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In my opinion, if someone is interacting with a group and PURPOSELY and REPETITIVELY uses words with questionable/offensive meanings to that audience, then he/she is either baiting or doesn't care.

I do actually care, alot. i am offended by the image and have negro freinds as well as pacific islanders, maori, and other dark skiined pals that would be even more offended by it, i called these people cunts (Used as a disparaging term for a person one dislikes or finds extremely disagreeable.) because it is my right to think that way and say so.

Ah, I see - so YOU have the right to be offended and to think and speak a certain way, but nobody else does.

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This is a forum not specifically intended for bible belt dwelling, racist, hypocritical morons.

It's not intended for idiotic conspiracy theorists, either. Did you have a point?

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Racism is not funny, and disrespecting the presedent in such a vular mannar should result in the loss of right to vote.

Good thing you're not in charge, then - you see, in the US there's this thing called 'free speech'.

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If there is anyone that cares it is me, you obviously dont understand very well?

Ah, there's that self-effacing, non-ego-ridden rhys we all know and love.

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It is my right and it is not a personal attack to state that I believe that those that voted that the image was funny are nothing more than racist cunts!

And it's MY right and not a personal attack to state that I believe that expression to be very ugly and misogynistic and anyone that uses it is a sexist pig.

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I stand by my statement.

So do I.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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While I don't find it funny I don't think it is racist. ALL political leaders are mocked and there are cartoons in abundance of Tony Blair with huge ears, people chose to make a big thing out of Obama's skin colour - this is just a satirical impression of it. I've seen pictures of both George Bush and Robert Mugabe depicted as baboons - why is the picture of Mugabe decried as racist but not Bush?

Hog wash, the image had normal pictures of the other presedents, and an image of some googlie eyes and a black background.

Mugabe and bush as baboons, was comparing them to baboons, a carechature is a carecature, this image is basicallly calling your presedent a nigger.

It is not funny, there is no excuse for it and anyone that thinks it is funny is a racist cunt!

First off he aint my president. I tend to agree with others on your use of language that you know offends detracts from the whole argument.

Lastly I grew up in Africa and I think Jim's comments are a fairly accurate representation of how most africans would see the picture. In fact I do wonder when paternalistic defence of a race becomes a form of racism in itself?

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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I've read the thread and stand by my post, regardless of your OPINION of the term.

so you have your own definitions of the english language?

you don't respect the dictionary?

Oh yeah you are american, you guys do things your own way and poke at others when they do it differently/the original way.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Oh yeah you are American, you guys do things your own way and poke at others when they do it differently/the original way.

For all your claims to be so open-minded... that comment seems rather xenophobic. Or are you "joking" about it... "joking" in a backhanded, insulting way.... kinka like other "jokes" in this thread. The "not funny" kind of jokes - like the initial photo.

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Ah, I see - so YOU have the right to be offended and to think and speak a certain way, but nobody else does.

No not at all, but if you were a murderer, and i called you a 'murdering cunt', that would be an accurate description of you.

I change the noun ( racist) to an adjective and use Cunt as the noun.

Where did you learn english?

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It's not intended for idiotic conspiracy theorists, either. Did you have a point?

Call me what you will, but life needs balance. If you had your way the forum would be for left bashing mooncalfs from fuck neck ville!

but it is not, we are all human and deserve the right to speak our position. I HATE racism, and will let you know when you are being one, many times it slips under the radar, but not mine.

If you think racism is O.K. You're Wrong

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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For all your claims to be so open-minded... that comment seems rather xenophobic. Or are you "joking" about it... "joking" in a backhanded, insulting way.... kinka like other "jokes" in this thread. The "not funny" kind of jokes - like the initial photo.

Thats the pot calling the kettle black isn't it?

I refer to the dictionary, he insinuated i was making up my own definition of the word and goes on with his sheltered gramdma's defintion, not observing the third stage of 'truth';

Acceptance!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[Jim_Hooper 4]

Mike, Nigel and KBordson - I was puzzled as to why you bothered with this twit. And then it struck me. His logic is as hilarious as his grammar, syntax and spelling. He can't put key to cursor without making a complete fool of himself. Time to come clean and admit it: you guys are laughing your arses off, aren't you? He's certainly kept me in stitches. Nice move. Thanks.
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Mike, Nigel and KBordson - I was puzzled as to why you bothered with this twit. And then it struck me. His logic is as hilarious as his grammar, syntax and spelling. He can't put key to cursor without making a complete fool of himself. Time to come clean and admit it: you guys are laughing your arses off, aren't you? He's certainly kept me in stitches. Nice move. Thanks.
Hoop

i think he's managing you very well

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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Mike, Nigel and KBordson - I was puzzled as to why you bothered with this twit. And then it struck me. His logic is as hilarious as his grammar, syntax and spelling. He can't put key to cursor without making a complete fool of himself. Time to come clean and admit it: you guys are laughing your arses off, aren't you? He's certainly kept me in stitches. Nice move. Thanks.
Hoop

i think he's managing you very well

OK. That did make me laugh.

[billvon 3,089]

Your one warning. Cut it out.

[warpedskydiver 0]

Karen, quit having a war of wits against the unarmed.

People will think you are just showing off

[kbordson 8]

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Karen, quit having a war of wits against the unarmed.

People will think you are just showing off

The funny thing is, there is no war. On the topic of THIS THREAD, we are actually in agreement.

As far as "showing off". . . . you know I don't need to do that. I'm just ordinary and normal. I blend. No need to show off.


edit to add: now shakes head.... warped. shakes head again....

I'm NORMAL. M'kay. Let's try to keep THAT image.

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Mike, Nigel and KBordson - I was puzzled as to why you bothered with this twit. And then it struck me. His logic is as hilarious as his grammar, syntax and spelling. He can't put key to cursor without making a complete fool of himself. Time to come clean and admit it: you guys are laughing your arses off, aren't you? He's certainly kept me in stitches. Nice move. Thanks.
Hoop

You may be well spoken 'my dear old thing, what what'.

But such a statement with a blatant and undiluted misdemeanour in the first sentence would also put you in the category of; the pot calling the kettle black.

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Having spent much of the last 25 years reporting from various countries in Africa - and written a number of books on conflict there - I can say that the educated black Africans I know would find our Kiwi correspondent's comments extremely paternalistic and patronizing. Others would be laughing at him behind his back. Their attitude would be that they really don't need - or want - to be defended by someone as pig-ignorent and ill-mannered as this individual.

It is lovely that your well spent time in Africa brings back reports that everything is all hunky dory in the Dark Continent!

Did you manage to 'knock off' the 'Big Five' while you were there?

My observations we of rife corruption and poverty but what do I know?

I merely stated that I visited the places where the slaves came from, do you deny the trade of human beings as slaves ever happened in East Africa, argue that such actions are acceptable or that I am reporting incorrectly?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[Jim_Hooper 4]

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Your one warning. Cut it out.

Damn! You saw right through me. Okay, I'll admit it: I'm a rhysist. Do you think counselling might help?

Hoop
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And how is that different exactly from members of the right making ridiculous charges of racism against Sotomayor?

To wit:

“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor.

Now, try transposing "wise Latina woman" and "white male", put it in the mouth of someone guilty of the latter and then imagine 'human rights' advocates suffering a collective case of the vapors. (You are following the logic here, aren't you?)

Oh yeah. What with all those lynch mobs of Latina women coming to string up white men, we'd better take care!

Point is both sides torture logic to make bogus claims of racism. When you only see the one side but not the other your bias is showing.

[Jim_Hooper 4]

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And how is that different exactly from members of the right making ridiculous charges of racism against Sotomayor?

To wit:

“I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,” said Judge Sotomayor.

Now, try transposing "wise Latina woman" and "white male", put it in the mouth of someone guilty of the latter and then imagine 'human rights' advocates suffering a collective case of the vapors. (You are following the logic here, aren't you?)

Oh yeah. What with all those lynch mobs of Latina women coming to string up white men, we'd better take care!

Point is both sides torture logic to make bogus claims of racism. When you only see the one side but not the other your bias is showing.

Your first paragraph is adolescent drivel.

But the first sentence in the second paragraph is absolutely correct. The second sentence, however, reveals your bias in refusing to recognize that I deplore both, as my qualifying comment makes abundantly clear. Without a balanced perspective, rational decision-making is impossible. Better to be guided by fact than emotion, the latter a most unreliable basis for judging anything.

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Your one warning. Cut it out.

Damn! You saw right through me. Okay, I'll admit it: I'm a rhysist. Do you think counselling might help?

Hoop
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Damn you travel with a huge amount of luggage!

[Jim_Hooper 4]

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Damn you travel with a huge amount of luggage!

Actually, one small rucksack and what could fit in my camera jacket during a three-month trek with Angolan rebels. More photos under Image Galleries on www.jimhooper.co.uk

[warpedskydiver 0]

I was being sarcastic, I am sure there were a few people who thought those guys were your bearers and not what they actually were.

Sorry if you missed that.

[Jim_Hooper 4]

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I was being sarcastic, I am sure there were a few people who thought those guys were your bearers and not what they actually were.

Sorry if you missed that.

I was so slow on the uptake I didn't catch it until right after I hit POST REPLY. Then I thought, "That was so damn quick and witty I just may have to steal it the next time I need a caption for that particular snap." Nice one.

(And the same thing about someone thinking they were bearers crossed my mind, too.)

Thanks.
Hoop