Holocaust Museum shooting - Helloooooo....

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It's only been a day or so now, doesn't anybody have a single thought about James von Brunn shooting up the Holocaust Museum in Washington ?? Or the fact that he killed a guard ?

WTF people, we've got pages and pages of assholes calling Sonya Sotomayor a "racist" and nobody's even started a thread on the real thing walking into a museum and killing people.

What the fuck is WRONG with you people anyway ?!?

This isn't an anti-gun rant either, I am completely in favor of law abiding citizens' right to bear arms, so fuck off on that angle of the discussion as well.

Maybe the Republic-holes who are calling Sotomayor a "racist" should run van Brunn for Congress. He's not dead yet and seems to be their kind of guy.

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Rush Blowhard blamed the Lefty Liberals today on his show for the shooting.

I think the kind of hatred that is spewed in this nation from many different factions lends itself to crazy people doing crazy shit for crazy reasons.

It will be intersting to see what he says about his pent up hatred in interviews. You know that's coming...

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Maybe the Republic-holes who are calling Sotomayor a "racist" should run van Brunn for Congress. He's not dead yet and seems to be their kind of guy.

Yeah, except for that whole 'hate for Bush and Cheney' thing... yeah, hating them is really a big issue for the conservatives here.

or the 'hate for the Joooooos' thing... I don't seem to recall much of that from the conservative posters here.

or the '9/11 truther' thing... again, not seeing much of that from the conservatives.

Does that mean von Brunn is 1/3 as liberal as most here, given the varying support for the items above?

Mike
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It will be intersting to see what he says...

Not really. Some family members have been located and have
stated that they disowned him years ago and regard him as
mentally unstable.

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It's only been a day or so now, doesn't anybody have a single thought about James von Brunn shooting up the Holocaust Museum in Washington ?? Or the fact that he killed a guard ?

It's kind of like the person who shot the Army recruiters.
Lone nuts don't deserve a lot of discussion.

There are a lot of fringe elements with one person that takes
it too far. However, they aren't even representative of the group.

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It's only been a day or so now, doesn't anybody have a single thought about James von Brunn shooting up the Holocaust Museum in Washington ?? Or the fact that he killed a guard ?

WTF people, we've got pages and pages of assholes calling Sonya Sotomayor a "racist" and nobody's even started a thread on the real thing walking into a museum and killing people.

What the fuck is WRONG with you people anyway ?!?

This isn't an anti-gun rant either, I am completely in favor of law abiding citizens' right to bear arms, so fuck off on that angle of the discussion as well.

Maybe the Republic-holes who are calling Sotomayor a "racist" should run van Brunn for Congress. He's not dead yet and seems to be their kind of guy.

Frankly, to be honest, I am still taken aback by the incident. It disturbs me greatly, however, there's little to discuss about it since you've already tainted the topic by tying in "republic-holes" and this clown for public office.

Lack of content on dz.com doesn't mean people don't care, nor do you own the franchise on being disturbed by this event.

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Make light!

[Lefty 0]

Considering he's a neo-national socialist, I'm surprised at the lack of posts from the left wingers denouncing him. You can pretty much assume the right wing folks already abhor his actions.

EDIT: Besides, von Brunn is quoted as hating "neocons". Hardly a right-wing sentiment, especially considering so many conservative posters on this forum have been called "neocon" at some point or another.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

[billvon 3,114]

>Yeah, except for that whole 'hate for Bush and Cheney' thing.

Had Cheney or Bush been assassinated for political purposes your comment might make sense.

>or the '9/11 truther' thing... again, not seeing much of that from the
>conservatives.

On the other hand, the "birther" thing seemed to get wide support from conservatives here, and some still think it's an issue.

[TheAnvil 0]

Sounds like this asshole would fit in far better with Obama's former minister or former Democratic Presidential candidate Al $harpton than republicans. Perhaps you should try again.

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I think sotomayor is a bigot and i aint no republican. I think it's interesting you align this racist murderer with Republicans though. Kinda out of left field.

The main reason you don't see a thread here about that incident is because there were guards with guns. If that weren't the case then there would be yet another thread about gun control likely started by a dz.commer from across the pond.

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I had debated whether or not to start the thread several times. On the one hand it's a despicable act and clearly is something we could talk about, but on the other hand, we just don't know enough of the key points to really have a good conversation about it yet.

One thing to me is perfectly clear, the stress of a lot of different factors has a LOT of "lone wolf" wackos hyped up pretty bad. Obama being elected, nuts talking about the end of the world, the economy are all contributing factors. This isn't the last lone wolf act we're going to see.

It would be nice if some of the fringe talk show hosts could maybe back off the hate speech a bit, but that's just not going to happen as long as it drives up their ratings.

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[Lefty 0]

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It would be nice if some of the fringe talk show hosts could maybe back off the hate speech a bit

Like whom?

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

[AggieDave 6]

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One thing to me is perfectly clear, the stress of a lot of different factors has a LOT of "lone wolf" wackos hyped up pretty bad.

Have you seen the e-mails that were posted in regards to his e-mails back and forth with Tom Clancy? You can tell that this guy's mind took a left turn and wondered FAR off the roadway a long time ago.

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You can pretty much assume the right wing folks already abhor his actions.

I assume that somewhere above 99.9% of all humans abhor his action; regardless of political affiliation, religious beliefs, position on gun laws, etc.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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Rush Blowhard blamed the Lefty Liberals today on his show for the shooting.

I think the kind of hatred that is spewed in this nation from many different factions lends itself to crazy people doing crazy shit for crazy reasons.

It will be intersting to see what he says about his pent up hatred in interviews. You know that's coming...

No he didnt
He was responding to the left saying this guy was a right wing terrorist. It was his satrical way of pointing it out.

I mean , he pointed out that in this nut cases writings he indicated over and over that
1 He hated Bush
2 He hated Newt
3 He hated Jews
4 He hated Neocons
5 He tried to take over the Fed Reserve

Cetifiable? Yes

Right wing? Well his hatred came from somewhere. Dont apear it was from the right huh!

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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You can pretty much assume the right wing folks already abhor his actions.

I assume that somewhere above 99.9% of all humans abhor his action; regardless of political affiliation, religious beliefs, position on gun laws, etc.

No doubt.

Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful.
-Calvin

[piper17 1]

Does this mean that Ted Kaczynski, the Uni-Bomber was a left-wing extremist that the "Demo-holes" should run for Congress? What about these radical lefties running around burning down housing tracts, ski resorts, etc because of their radical environmental agenda?

Get real, there are nuts on both extremes and they don't reflect the mainstream right or left.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

[Nightingale 0]

They closed the museum Thursday for a "Day of Mourning" in honor of the guard who was murdered. Personally, I think that closing the museum, even for a day, gave the shooter exactly what he wanted. The best tribute to the guard would have been to keep the museum open with free admission that day to allow people to see what it was the man was guarding, and have baskets available to collect donations for his family.

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Stephen Johns, the 39-year old man who was murdered yesterday at the Holocaust Memorial Museum, wasn't just a Wackenhut-employed security officer. He was also a member of the Security, Police and Fire Professionals of America -- a union.

That union approached Wackenhut about the dangers Holocaust Museum officers face, and asked them to provide their employees with bulletproof vests. You can imagine how that turned out.

[D]uring contract negotiations with Wackenhut two years ago, the union pressed for company-issued protective vests. Although Wackenhut seemed open to the idea, vests have not been issued, Faye said.
"I hammered this in our negotiations two years ago because of how sensitive that museum is," he said. "Our guards needed more protection." He said that one of the guards at the museum was "verbally assaulted by one guy walking by, saying anti-Semitic remarks. For that reason, I made that the center of the negotiation."

Authorities said Johns was not wearing a protective vest.

http://www.alternet.org/rss/3/60520/murdered_security_guard%27s_union_asked_for_bulletproof_vests%2C_never_got_them/

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[Sapphire 0]

Actually, FWIW, admission is free... as most museums in DC. However, I agree... I know places close as a sign of respect to honor people - but in this instance - you are correct, the piece o garbage got what he wanted so-to-speak. They should've remained open and setup a donation basket, etc. for the fallen guard.

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[pirana 0]

Great comment. Like the way you think.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[mnealtx 0]

So, why didn't the union buck up the money for the vest?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Ron 10]

Maybe your rant and name calling makes people not so interested in bothering to get into a discussion with you since they are pretty sure any 'discussion' from you will just be more insults?

What do you want to discuss?

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[Nightingale 0]

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So, why didn't the union buck up the money for the vest?

If they want you to carry a gun, they should give you a vest.

[rushmc 23]

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So, why didn't the union buck up the money for the vest?

If they want you to carry a gun, they should give you a vest.

Hmm, if you want to climb poles for a living you bring your own equipment. When it needs replacing, company pays it.

Not saying you are wrong but, there are different ways to look at it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln