jcd11235 0 #76 June 5, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote I've encountered far too many uneducated people in this country who lack the good sense to recognize themselves to be morons. Then help me understand the above quote because on the surface it appears to an ignorant assed statement. uneducated = moron Now what level of education makes one not a moron? One cannot logically infer uneducated = moron from my statement. Then wtf was it you were infering? I'm not the one trying to infer anything.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #77 June 5, 2009 >and understanding that it is a term used as a perjorative against >those who condescend. No doubt some use it that way. Its more common usage, though, is its dictionary definition - "A state of sheltered and unworldly intellectual isolation." It is usually used as a pejorative against people who base their opinions on what they have learned instead of what they have lived, who replace gut instinct with less-emotional, drier intellectual decisions. The term "ivory tower" is used to denigrate these people, who are so highly educated that they are out of touch with ordinary people in mainstream America. Perhaps you recognize some of those catchphrases from recent political campaigns. >What is Ivory Tower? "He went to Harvard! Obviously superior to one >who merely made it to MIT. He knows better than you what is best for you." No, that's arrogance. Ivory Tower would be "He went to Harvard and studied politics! Of course he knows more about welfare than someone who gets welfare." >However, "Ivory Tower" is exemplified by telling people that they don't >know what's good for them. Not quite. Look at some recent examples: "Barack Obama's ivory tower naiveté will get us all killed." - opinion on Obama's lack of "street smarts", not a comment on his telling people they don't know what's good for them. I don't want a nominee who has "just ivory tower learning . . . I want somebody who has the intellectual fire power, but also a little bit of a common touch and has a practical sense of how the world works." - Obama's speech on his Supreme Court pick, clearly contrasting "Ivory Tower" to street smarts, rather than as a synonym for condescension. "Longing for the days of freewheeling entrepreneurship that never existed is not an argument that has any validity when it comes to a policy debate rather than some Ivory Tower debate in some philosophy department detached from the real world concerns of working people." - From a TPM post. Again, the term "ivory tower" is used to describe an "academic elite" who is out of touch with 'working people', not someone who is condescending. For a great satirical take on this subject we can turn to the inestimable Stephen Colbert, who lampoons the classic anti-Ivory-tower rants sometimes heard in the media: =========================== Mark Smith, ladies and gentlemen of the press corps, Madame First Lady, Mr. President, my name is Stephen Colbert, and tonight it is my privilege to celebrate this president, ‘cause we're not so different, he and I. We both get it. Guys like us, we're not some brainiacs on the nerd patrol. We're not members of the factinista. We go straight from the gut. Right, sir? That's where the truth lies, right down here in the gut. Do you know you have more nerve endings in your gut than you have in your head? You can look it up. Now, I know some of you are going to say, "I did look it up, and that's not true." That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut. I did. My gut tells me that's how our nervous system works. ==================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #78 June 5, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I've encountered far too many uneducated people in this country who lack the good sense to recognize themselves to be morons. Then help me understand the above quote because on the surface it appears to an ignorant assed statement. uneducated = moron Now what level of education makes one not a moron? One cannot logically infer uneducated = moron from my statement. Then wtf was it you were infering? I'm not the one trying to infer anything. You're not? It's your statement and you are refusing to explain it. On the surface it shows that you see people who are uneducated to be stupid. Is that not correct?www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #79 June 5, 2009 he's giving you shit for misusing infer rather than imply, it appears. this thread got boring fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #80 June 5, 2009 Quote he's giving you shit for misusing infer rather than imply, it appears. this thread got boring fast. Yeah I realized that and was nice enough not to point out the irony. in·fer (n-fûr) v. in·ferred, in·fer·ring, in·fers v.tr. 1. To conclude from evidence or premises. 2. To reason from circumstance; surmise: We can infer that his motive in publishing the diary was less than honorable. 3. To lead to as a consequence or conclusion: "Socrates argued that a statue inferred the existence of a sculptor" Academy. 4. To hint; imply.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #81 June 5, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOne cannot logically infer uneducated = moron from my statement. Then wtf was it you were infering? I'm not the one trying to infer anything. You're not? Clearly, no. QuoteIt's your statement and you are refusing to explain it. Incorrect. I did explain it. That you were not satisfied with my explanation is not the same as me refusing to explain. QuoteOn the surface it shows that you see people who are uneducated to be stupid. Is that not correct? No, that explanation is not correct.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #82 June 5, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote One cannot logically infer uneducated = moron from my statement. Then wtf was it you were infering? I'm not the one trying to infer anything. You're not? Clearly, no. Quote It's your statement and you are refusing to explain it. Incorrect. I did explain it. That you were not satisfied with my explanation is not the same as me refusing to explain. Quote On the surface it shows that you see people who are uneducated to be stupid. Is that not correct? No, that explanation is not correct. Let me put it to you this way.... I'm not as educated as a lot of people here but I know bullshit when I see it. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #83 June 5, 2009 Quote Quote he's giving you shit for misusing infer rather than imply, it appears. this thread got boring fast. Yeah I realized that and was nice enough not to point out the irony. Interesting. I thought I was the one who refrained from pointing out the irony. Here's your American Heritage Dictionary quote, without truncation (Underlined passages represent my own emphasis. -jcd11235): in·fer (…) v. in·ferred, in·fer·ring, in·fers v. tr. To conclude from evidence or premises. To reason from circumstance; surmise: We can infer that his motive in publishing the diary was less than honorable. To lead to as a consequence or conclusion: "Socrates argued that a statue inferred the existence of a sculptor" (Academy). To hint; imply. v. intr. To draw inferences. [Latin ['i']nferre, to bring in, adduce : in-, in; see in-2 + ferre, to bear; see bher-1 in Indo-European roots.] in·fer'a·ble adj., in·fer'a·bly adv., in·fer'rer n. Usage Note: Infer is sometimes confused with imply, but the distinction is a useful one. When we say that a speaker or sentence implies something, we mean that it is conveyed or suggested without being stated outright: When the mayor said that she would not rule out a business tax increase, she implied (not inferred) that some taxes might be raised. Inference, on the other hand, is the activity performed by a reader or interpreter in drawing conclusions that are not explicit in what is said: When the mayor said that she would not rule out a tax increase, we inferred that she had been consulting with some new financial advisers, since her old advisers were in favor of tax reductions. "infer." The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Houghton Mifflin Company, 2004. 05 Jun. 2009. http://dictionary.classic.reference.com/browse/infer>.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #84 June 5, 2009 Quote I'm not as educated as a lot of people here but I know bullshit when I see it. And, your point is? If you have something to say, say it. If you have a question, ask it. But, I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from posting incorrect/illogical interpretations of my posts. You asked me if my post had a particular meaning. I explained it didn't, and pointed out that such a meaning could not be logically inferred from my statement. Further attempts to assign that meaning to my post is bullshit, figuratively speaking. I'm confident, based on your self professed ability, that you recognize it as such.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #85 June 5, 2009 Nicely done an touchewww.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #86 June 5, 2009 Quote Nicely done an touche Now, can we get back to more productive discussions, such as arguing over abortion, gun control, or the existence of god? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #87 June 5, 2009 Quote Quote Nicely done an touche Now, can we get back to more productive discussions, such as arguing over abortion, gun control, or the existence of god? IT was nicely done about the meaning of infer. But I still think you are bullshitting me about the meaning of your statement. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #88 June 5, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Nicely done an touche Now, can we get back to more productive discussions, such as arguing over abortion, gun control, or the existence of god? IT was nicely done about the meaning of infer. But I still think you are bullshitting me about the meaning of your statement. I'm not bullshitting you at all. I think you might be trying to read more into the statement than I intended the statement to convey.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #89 June 5, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Nicely done an touche Now, can we get back to more productive discussions, such as arguing over abortion, gun control, or the existence of god? IT was nicely done about the meaning of infer. But I still think you are bullshitting me about the meaning of your statement. I'm not bullshitting you at all. I think you might be trying to read more into the statement than I intended the statement to convey. Then I guess we're at an impassewww.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #90 June 5, 2009 QuoteRight. Some were just bigoted. Others, OTOH, voted for Proposition 8 because the think that homosexuality is a choice, homosexuality leads to incest, or any one of many other false claims made out of ignorance (or perhaps bigotry, in some cases). Do you think that this will be Hillary's last political appointment or elected position ? Do you think that Hillary will come out after this ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #91 June 6, 2009 QuoteI think you might be trying to read more into the statement than I intended the statement to convey. So he's not calling you out on a textbook case. Rather, his lack of ignorance allows him to recognize the subtleties of your points and call it out for what it really is. I have a doctorate. Words are my tools in my education and job. So even if though you claim that you are not bulshitting, it is exactly what an educated and sophisticated person like me would expect you to do. I don't expect you to just admit it. You think I'm a idiot? Those who fail to recognize that you are bullshitting are ignorant. They don't know what it good or bad, and are easily susceptible to people like you who attempt to sway their feeble red-state pea-brains and easily buy into your twisted and baseless rhetoric. I am experienced in identifying bullshitters - my doctorate is in bullshitting. Those of you who don't have a degree in it don't know what you are talking about. Andy, of course, cannot be trusted, because he got his degree before the modern digital revolution and is ignorant of it's subtleties. Anyone without my opinion is ignorant and uneducated. Shut up and open your mind, poseurs. Recognize that you are wrong and I am correct. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #92 June 6, 2009 QuoteDo you think that this will be Hillary's last political appointment or elected position ? I have no idea. QuoteDo you think that Hillary will come out after this ? Are you trying to imply that she is a lesbian? If so, what evidence do you have to support such an assertion?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #93 June 6, 2009 QuoteRather, his lack of ignorance allows him to recognize the subtleties of your points and call it out for what it really is. If there was a lack of ignorance, then he would understand that my statement did not imply what he claimed. Since a lack of such understanding was indicated via his posts, then a lack of ignorance cannot be assumed. QuoteYou think I'm a idiot? No, I think you enjoy arguing, and are generally good enough at it that you are comfortable taking a position you know to be wrong or illogical, and argue in its support, just for fun. The post to which I am replying is a good example. QuoteThose who fail to recognize that you are bullshitting are ignorant. Now your ignorance is showing. Those who truly believe I'm bullshitting are unaware of the truth of the matter, which makes them ignorant, by definition. QuoteThey don't know what it good or bad, and are easily susceptible to people like you who attempt to sway their feeble red-state pea-brains and easily buy into your twisted and baseless rhetoric. Speaking of baseless rhetoric, counselor, you seem to be spewing sufficient amounts of it yourself. QuoteI am experienced in identifying bullshitters … Yet, you're apparently not very good at it, if this post (to which I am replying) is any indication of your ability.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #94 June 6, 2009 Apparently, you were ignorant of the sarcasm. I figured that whilr most of my post was subtle, saying my doctorate is in "bullshitting" and knocking a regular poster's outdated knowledge of the internet would be sufficient. Or reference to "red-state pea-brains." Yet again, it matters now how absolutely ridiculous it sounds, people have seen such ridiculousness come from people who really mean it. It is that pervasive. Thus, your ignorance is excusable. Same for all you poseurs. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #95 June 6, 2009 Quote … saying my doctorate is in "bullshitting" … That description is not out of character for you. You have been known to (jokingly) disparage lawyers as a group. Quote … and knocking a regular poster's outdated knowledge of the internet would be sufficient. See above. Quote Or reference to "red-state pea-brains." Sorry. I thought you were being completely serious with that comment. Quote Yet again, it matters now how absolutely ridiculous it sounds, people have seen such ridiculousness come from people who really mean it. I'm confused by the inconsistency of your statement. "Yet again" seems to imply that it still matters, just like before. "It matters now seems to imply that it is just beginning to matter, either first the first time or after a period of it not mattering.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #96 June 6, 2009 My disparagement of lawyers is not joking. "It matters now" was supposed to be "it matters not." A type O. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #97 June 6, 2009 QuoteA type O. Negative, counselor.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #98 June 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteA type O. Negative, counselor. That must be why dreamdancer is on him about not supporting that poor woman's family...after all, O negative *IS* a universal donor.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #99 June 6, 2009 QuoteThat must be why dreamdancer is on him about not supporting that poor woman's family...after all, O negative *IS* a universal donor. I actually had a different, equally unrelated reference in mind, not that it matters.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #100 June 6, 2009 I can't youtube... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
