ianmdrennan 2 #1 June 3, 2009 Poll for people who are pro-choice in any way. I'm curious on this one. You don't have to explain, or comment on your vote but PLEASE only vote if you are pro-choice. One other thing - I am NOT asking about the extreme circumstances. For the sake of this poll assume a healthy mother and baby. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #2 June 3, 2009 It may matter if you are a parent of boy(s) or girl(s), also. I'm a parent of two girls, and although it hasn't changed my views on abortion, it may solidify them when I consider that the only people in my immediate family likely to be faced with such a choice ever again are my daughters.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #3 June 3, 2009 Quote It may matter if you are a parent of boy(s) or girl(s), also. I'm a parent of two girls, and although it hasn't changed my views on abortion, it may solidify them when I consider that the only people in my immediate family likely to be faced with such a choice ever again are my daughters. Great idea for the next poll Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #4 June 3, 2009 Idle curiosity -- what's the difference between third-trimester pro-choice and pro-choice any time? My understanding of third-trimester pro-choice means up to the end of the third trimester, which coincides most of the time with the end of the pregnancy. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #5 June 3, 2009 QuoteIdle curiosity -- what's the difference between third-trimester pro-choice and pro-choice any time? My understanding of third-trimester pro-choice means up to the end of the third trimester, which coincides most of the time with the end of the pregnancy. Wendy P. To me, nothing, but my understanding from the other thread was that some people who would be pro-choice third trimester, would be against a partial birth. It was more of an attempt to distinguish that. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #6 June 3, 2009 Interesting so far. The non-parent pro-choice at any stage statistic doesn't surprise me. I may have even been in this crowd until my wife became pregnant. However, being a parent (to be) myself, I am really surprised at those who are parents and also voted pro-choice at any stage. To me, after having gone through this experience, there is no grey area at that late of a stage (3rd trimester) you're killing a human. Sure in the eyes of the law, it's not, but then again waterboarding isn't torture in the eyes of the law either.... The fetus is aware, it responds to voices, noises, and other stimulation. It is, without a doubt, a human capable of feeling at this stage. I'm just a little surprised at the results....that's all. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #7 June 4, 2009 Quote… waterboarding isn't torture in the eyes of the law either. Please don't advance this misconception any further. Despite some creative interpretations of torture by some Justice Department (not to be confused with any part of the judicial branch of the federal government) lawyers, legal precedent is pretty clear about water boarding being torture in the eyes of the law. The US has prosecuted water boarding as torture in the past. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 June 4, 2009 QuoteQuote… waterboarding isn't torture in the eyes of the law either. Please don't advance this misconception any further. Despite some creative interpretations of torture by some Justice Department (not to be confused with any part of the judicial branch of the federal government) lawyers, legal precedent is pretty clear about water boarding being torture in the eyes of the law. The US has prosecuted water boarding as torture in the past. Except, y'know....when we do it to our own troops...THEN it's ok. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #9 June 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote… waterboarding isn't torture in the eyes of the law either. Please don't advance this misconception any further. Despite some creative interpretations of torture by some Justice Department (not to be confused with any part of the judicial branch of the federal government) lawyers, legal precedent is pretty clear about water boarding being torture in the eyes of the law. The US has prosecuted water boarding as torture in the past. Except, y'know....when we do it to our own troops with their consent and while giving them the ability to make it stop immediately, with full awareness that it is a training exercise to learn to resist torture...THEN it's ok. Yeah. Under those limited circumstances, it wouldn't be torture.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 June 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote… waterboarding isn't torture in the eyes of the law either. Please don't advance this misconception any further. Despite some creative interpretations of torture by some Justice Department (not to be confused with any part of the judicial branch of the federal government) lawyers, legal precedent is pretty clear about water boarding being torture in the eyes of the law. The US has prosecuted water boarding as torture in the past. Except, y'know....when we do it to our own troops with their consent and while giving them the ability to make it stop immediately, with full awareness that it is a training exercise to learn to resist torture...THEN it's ok. Yeah. Under those limited circumstances, it wouldn't be torture. You weren't in the military, were you?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
