idrankwhat 0 #51 June 3, 2009 Quote Obama is doing exactly what Bush did. Why aren't the DEMs complaining about it? T You are right. Obama, in many cases is doing the same thing that Bush did. And if that is how you want to limit the discussion then you guys have a great time. However, Obama would likely have never created the problems that are being dealt with now. If that's not a welcome addition in the bash fest then I apologize and will leave you to your picked cherries. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #52 June 3, 2009 Quote Obama is refusing to do what Bush refused to do. So, why aren't the DEMs up in arms about it? Most of it is as easy as a signature. One more question. Do you really want him to release the torture pictures? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #53 June 3, 2009 Quote>During the Bush admin, there have been occurrences that are pointed to >as facts. People Left wingers discussed them. And during the Bush Administration, right wingers... You see, here's the problem, both in SC and in US politics generally. Everyone assumes that there are only two sides. Let's call them "Rush" and "Nancy". Along with that assumption comes other assumptions: that if you're not a Rush, you're a Nancy. That if you like anything Rush does, you must hate Nancy, and all her works (and vice versa). Unfortunately, the real world isn't that simple, and all the plain old folks in the middle are just watching the two fringes pushing back and forth. The world has more than just Rushes and Nancy's in it. A lot more. In fact, although the Rush's and Nancy's tend to make the most noise, and try to fool people into thinking they are the only two people who's opinions matter (in fact, they help each other push this notion by trying to lump anyone who disagrees with them on any issue into the other camp on all issues), there are a lot of people who don't like either of them.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #54 June 3, 2009 Quote I agree with the hypothesis mentioned earlier that Obama wanted to (and perhaps still wants to) bring about change, but is probably finding himself a bit overwhelmed. I too am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I forget the gentleman's name as it was some time ago, but I attended a lecture by a defense department official who said, "Washington is like a river. And it starts way over there [pointing to one end of the room] and it flows all the way over there [pointing to the other end] and the odds are pretty good that if you jump in and start waving your arms, the little eddies you create will be gone 10 feet downstream. Some people actually make a career out of doing just that, but you have to be pretty smart to change the course of the river." I agree. And I think he's got some good ideas on how to change that river but I'm skeptical that he'll be able to do it on maxed out credit cards and with a Congress that's more interested in job retention (and the corresponding campaign donations) than the big picture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #55 June 3, 2009 Quote Quote Obama is doing exactly what Bush did. Why aren't the DEMs complaining about it? T You are right. Obama, in many cases is doing the same thing that Bush did. And if that is how you want to limit the discussion then you guys have a great time. However, Obama would likely have never created the problems that are being dealt with now. If that's not a welcome addition in the bash fest then I apologize and will leave you to your picked cherries. Great projections here! Hell, I had no idea you could predict future outcomes based on alternate choicesFun stuff"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #56 June 3, 2009 Quote>Perhaps we should flatter leftists in here with a torrent of 'Bush Did It >First' responses . . . . . . to balance the tables for eight years of "Clinton did it first" replies to any argument the right wing could not refute? Unfortunately, that's pretty much a certainty. Actually, it was eight years of "Clinton/Dems did it first - why did you wait until NOW to start screaming?" in response to howls of "Look what Bush/Reps did NOW!!!"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #57 June 4, 2009 Quote >During the Bush admin, there have been occurrences that are pointed to >as facts. People Left wingers discussed them. And during the Bush Administration, right wingers defended him to the bitter end (or ignored the actions he took which were contrary to conservative principles, like running up a massive deficit.) Now the very same people who were defending Bush are screaming "Why aren't democrats denouncing Obama? I mean, I didn't have the courage to denounce Bush for it - but why aren't they picking up the ball? WHY WHY WHY?" The mirror would be a good place to ask that question. That makes so little sense. I like the Gtmo policy of keeping terrorists outside of the US. With the Marines in Cuba? Good place. I supported the Bush policy. I support the Obama (and the revised DEM party leadership) policy. The policy makes sense. My support is consistent. The DEMs ripped Bush up one side and down the other over it. Now they are against the Obama campaign promise to close Gtmo. Fleep-Flopp. Torture photos. There is no value to making them public. Bush was against it. Obama is against it. My support is consistent. Obama made transparency a campaign promise. Photos? Wiretaps? A change as easy as a signature. No problem. So, where are all the DEM critics of Bush on SC ? Why aren't they wailing about that Obama signature? The failure of the promise of "change"? The DEM Obama supporters support him even though his policies have become the Bush policies that they attacked. That is inconsistency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #58 June 4, 2009 QuoteQuote Obama is refusing to do what Bush refused to do. So, why aren't the DEMs up in arms about it? Most of it is as easy as a signature. One more question. Do you really want him to release the torture pictures? Absolutely not. It would merely supply another opportunity for lunatics to exploit. There are many soldiers in harms way who did not torture anyone. It would only make their job harder. I also wouldn't vote for any 'tard who said that he was in favor of releasing them. It's as easy as a signature. A moment. He isn't doing it. It is just one of the easy campaign promises that he has reversed himself on. Photos. Wiretaps. Gtmo. I haven't changed my opinions. I can't imagine why someone would vote to support his. Even he doesn't like them. So, why are his supporters still his supporters when he is doing what they voted against ? (Sorry, I forgot... no criticism of St. O) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #59 June 4, 2009 >Actually, it was eight years of "Clinton/Dems did it first - why did you >wait until NOW to start screaming?" Ironic, given the first post in this thread! Looks like the circle is complete. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #60 June 4, 2009 Quote>Actually, it was eight years of "Clinton/Dems did it first - why did you >wait until NOW to start screaming?" Ironic, given the first post in this thread! Looks like the circle is complete. Let's see... you've got a Dem doing what a Rep was screamed at for doing, and the rest of the Dems are .... .... .... silent. Imagine that. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #61 June 4, 2009 Quote Quote >Actually, it was eight years of "Clinton/Dems did it first - why did you >wait until NOW to start screaming?" Ironic, given the first post in this thread! Looks like the circle is complete. Let's see... you've got a Dem doing what a Rep was screamed at for doing, and the rest of the Dems are .... .... .... silent. Imagine that. And the original point of this thread has not yet been pointed out so well, until now"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #62 June 4, 2009 Quote And the original point of this thread has not yet been pointed out so well, until now 10 01 black-white left-right good-evil with us or against us Did you know you can count all the way up to the number 7 if you add one more space to the binary representation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #63 June 4, 2009 Quote Quote And the original point of this thread has not yet been pointed out so well, until now 10 01 black-white left-right good-evil with us or against us Did you know you can count all the way up to the number 7 if you add one more space to the binary representation? Hypocritical or not hypocritical. If the foo shits huh!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
