Marriages/Civil unions

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Both of you cut it out. Discuss the issue if you like, but stop with the "you're senile" "you're ignorant" comments.

I'm trying, Bill, I'm trying. I even asked if he had anything related to the thread topic to add to the discussion.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
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[jclalor 12]

Why not make ALL couples who wish to enter into a civil union do so with the state and then if they like they can be married in a church that will do so. This keeps the seperateration of church and state.

Sooner or later gays will be allowed to marry. You cannot stop evolution. Just as people thought blacks and women should not vote or whites and blacks should not marry. People will look back in 30 years to what some people are trying to stop now, and just shake thier heads with disgust.

[jakee 1,643]

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***The concept of marrying for love, specifically and only for love, is not new or recent."
Is what you posted

"Marrying for love was a very, very rare occurance for most of the history of the concept of marriage."
Is how I replied

Dude, even your creatively edited version of the conversation doesn't support your argument. Your reply does not contradict my point in any way. Can't you see that? When you look at the whole exchange it's even worse.

You originally said "In the history of marriage the concept of marrying for love is relatively new." That is what I took issue with. You brought that line of discussion into the conversation and you have completely failed to support it, which isn't surprising, because you're wrong.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,643]

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I'm trying, Bill, I'm trying. I even asked if he had anything related to the thread topic to add to the discussion.

Hah, nice try.

Given that you brought up the issue and you are desperately trying to defend the point I can only assume that you think it has some relevance. If it doesn't, why the hell are you talking about it?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I'm sorry if you mistook my statement to mean that marrying for love never happened until relatively recently. I should have kept in mind that some people need to have everything spelled out for them in perfect detail.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[jakee 1,643]

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I'm sorry if you mistook my statement to mean that marrying for love never happened until relatively recently. I should have kept in mind that some people need to have everything spelled out for them in perfect detail.

That's not even the point. You stated that the concept was new, as if the very idea was not something people were even aware of. Which is both false and a seperate issue from any practical realities that would affect most people.

And what even was the point of bringing it up in the first place? Or will that remain just as much of a secret as the 'special' rights you think people are trying to give to gays?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[funjumper101 15]

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Does that remark mean you feel family members should be allowed to marry and reproduce?

There is a pretty major disconnect between what folks believe about the results of familial interbreeding and the reality.

The Rothschild family in Europe restricted several generations to marrying cousins, on penalty of being being cut out of the family fortune. The resulting offspring had some minor issues, but for the most part, there weren't really terrible results of the inbreeding.

In other words, it isn't a great idea, but doesn't have the results most people think it does.

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I'm sorry if you mistook my statement to mean that marrying for love never happened until relatively recently. I should have kept in mind that some people need to have everything spelled out for them in perfect detail.

That's not even the point. You stated that the concept was new, as if the very idea was not something people were even aware of. Which is both false and a seperate issue from any practical realities that would affect most people.

And what even was the point of bringing it up in the first place? Or will that remain just as much of a secret as the 'special' rights you think people are trying to give to gays?

Once again, I apologize if you misunderstood the statement.
Do you have anything positive to add to the discussion? Or are you just stalking me?

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[jcd11235 0]

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Once again, I apologize if you misunderstood the statement

He didn't misunderstand the statement as you wrote it.

Whether or not your statement conveyed the point you were attempting to make is a different issue, but [jakee] can hardly be blamed if what you wrote and what you meant are two different things.

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Once again, I apologize if you misunderstood the statement

He didn't misunderstand the statement as you wrote it.

Whether or not your statement conveyed the point you were attempting to make is a different issue, but [jakee] can hardly be blamed if what you wrote and what you meant are two different things.

Sure he can. The post he is getting his panties in a knot over was as follows: "In the history of marriage the concept of marrying for love is relatively new. Until relatively recently virtually all marriages were for reasons of family stability, social acceptance and promotion, etc"
The first sentence, taken on it's own, could be interpreted as meaning love was never a basis for marriage until recently. However, the second sentence clarifies the first. Jakee chose to ignore that.
So, yes, he can be blamed. If he was confused or didn't understand he should have asked for clarification.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[jakee 1,643]

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The first sentence, taken on it's own, could be interpreted as meaning love was never a basis for marriage until recently. However, the second sentence clarifies the first.

No, it doesn't clarify it. The two sentences talk about two distinctly different things. But you've apologised for not writing what you meant, so that's fine.

but what is the relevance of it anyway? Why do you keep bringing it up and how do you feel it impacts the issue at hand in any way? Is that going to remain a secret like these 'special' rights you think people are trying to give to gays?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Belgian_Draft 0]

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The first sentence, taken on it's own, could be interpreted as meaning love was never a basis for marriage until recently. However, the second sentence clarifies the first.

No, it doesn't clarify it. Yes, it does. You just don't want to accept it for what it is The two sentences talk about two distinctly different things.Uhh, no...they don't. Except in Jakee world But you've apologised for not writing what you meant, so that's fine. No, I apologized for you misunderstanding what I wrote. Big difference

but what is the relevance of it anyway? Why do you keep bringing it up and how do you feel it impacts the issue at hand in any way? Is that going to remain a secret like these 'special' rights you think people are trying to give to gays?

Ok, since you are incapable of figuring it out.
The people of California, by accepting Proposition 8 in a legal election, decided that only marriages between a man and a woman shall be recognized in their state. Now the opponents to that proposal want the state to ignore their own state constitution and the decision of their own state supreme court to give them the right to change what prop. 8 brought about.
Those are the special rights I referred to.

So, Jakee, where do you feel the line should be draw for who can marry whom?

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[jakee 1,643]

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Uhh, no...they don't. Except in Jakee world

Which is the real world, unlike whatever place it is that you live in. The existance of a concept is seperate and distinct from the mundane reality of what usually happens.

Would you say that the concept of heavier than air flight didn't exist until George Cayley started playing with gliders?

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No, I apologized for you misunderstanding what I wrote. Big difference

And I thought you'd made such progress. Well, seems like there's just no hope for you.

And why on earth was it relevant in the first place?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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You can only reach that conclusion if you take one sentence I wrote completely out of context and separate from the rest of the paragraph.
Seriously, Jakee, this obscession you have with trying to prove I made some sort of mistake when you can't understand a simple paragraph is getting pretty sick.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[jakee 1,643]

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You can only reach that conclusion if you take one sentence I wrote completely out of context and separate from the rest of the paragraph.

Not so. No matter how much context you provide you can't fundamentally change the meaning of a statement. That's not how it works.

And you've still not said why you think it's relevant to the discussion.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Belgian_Draft 0]

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You can only reach that conclusion if you take one sentence I wrote completely out of context and separate from the rest of the paragraph.

Not so. No matter how much context you provide you can't fundamentally change the meaning of a statement. That's not how it works.

And you've still not said why you think it's relevant to the discussion.

You haven't told me what "it" is.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[jakee 1,643]

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You haven't told me what "it" is.

Talk about a man who can't understand context

Are you so absolutely oblivious to what is going on that you can't tell I'm referring to the sentence that we've been talking about for about a page now?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?