TomAiello 26 #226 June 10, 2009 Quote... I don't have too much of a problem with people thinking that. ??? That's not what it sounded like when we discussed it. I believe that you likened opponents of gay marriage to 1950's racists who opposed interracial marriage. Are you saying you don't have a problem with people who believe marriage shouldn't cross the color line? Or is it that you don't have a problem with "your guy" thinking that?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #227 June 11, 2009 > Got a cite for Limbaugh saying that a white male could make >better decisions than a Latina woman? Nope. Got any quotes from Sotomayer saying that the US was safer when slavery was in effect? How about any quotes saying that Martin Luther King's assassin should get a Medal of Honor? Can you find anything there? OK. How about saying that the NAACP should practice liquor store robberies? Nothing? What about stating that it is offensive when the public hears about "a half black, half white human being" being a "sort of God" in the news? Or saying that all wanted posters look like Jesse Jackson? I'll let you do a little research on which of those Sotomayor said. Get back to me, OK? Given how eager you are to defend him, I am sure you won't have much trouble. (On the plus side, Limbaugh once said about blacks "They’re 12 percent of the population. Who cares?" I bet he cares now.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #228 June 11, 2009 >I believe that you likened opponents of gay marriage to 1950's >racists who opposed interracial marriage. I have a problem with people who oppose the legal right of gays to marry, or of interracial couples to marry. If they think that marriage should be between people of the same race, or that it should be between a man and a woman, but they support the right of people to make their own decisions - I will disagree with them, but will not think they are trying to impose their will on others. I disagree with Obama's stand on gay marriage, but I am glad he is not proposing making it illegal via law or a constitutional amendment. I prefer his position to Clinton's, who signed the DOMA, an act which officially denied gays the right to marry at the federal level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #229 June 11, 2009 QuoteQuote > Got a cite for Limbaugh saying that a white male could make >better decisions than a Latina woman? Nope. Ok... so you were lying when you said that Limbaugh "snapped and revealed his racism the other day". Got it. QuoteGot any quotes from Sotomayer saying that the US was safer when slavery was in effect? How about any quotes saying that Martin Luther King's assassin should get a Medal of Honor? Can you find anything there? Nope - just her saying that a Latina woman would make a better decision than a white man. Damn...sorry, I keep forgetting that's not racism anymore.... my bad.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #230 June 11, 2009 >Ok... so you were lying when you said that Limbaugh "snapped >and revealed his racism the other day". Got it. Nope. If you had read my post you would have seen that. Gotta read _before_ replying. >Nope. Fair enough; Limbaugh gets a pass for praising killers who target black leaders, but you want to crucify a women who claims that her experiences as a minority could make her better than a man who does not have those experiences. Par for the course. Be careful, though. One more such post and you'll hit your hypocrisy limit for the day! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #231 June 11, 2009 QuoteQuote>Ok... so you were lying when you said that Limbaugh "snapped >and revealed his racism the other day". Got it. Nope. If you had read my post you would have seen that. Gotta read _before_ replying. I'm sorry - is there another billvon on here? The one that said this? QuoteThe GOP is down and out, so they're frustrated, and thus more likely to "snap" and reveal their racists. Limbaugh blew a fuse and did just that the other day. QuoteQuote>Nope. Fair enough; Limbaugh gets a pass for praising killers who target black leaders, but you want to crucify a women who claims that her experiences as a minority could make her better than a man who does not have those experiences. Par for the course. You don't get to play it both ways, sorry. Since you are saying that Sotomayor's comments about race and sex are good-to-go, then any comments Limbaugh made are equally good-to-go. QuoteBe careful, though. One more such post and you'll hit your hypocrisy limit for the day! Y'all passed it LONG ago in this thread.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #232 June 11, 2009 Happened long before this thread "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #233 June 11, 2009 Quote>Ok... so you were lying when you said that Limbaugh "snapped >and revealed his racism the other day". Got it. Nope. If you had read my post you would have seen that. Gotta read _before_ replying. >Nope. Fair enough; Limbaugh gets a pass for praising killers who target black leaders, but you want to crucify a women who claims that her experiences as a minority could make her better than a man who does not have those experiences. Par for the course. Be careful, though. One more such post and you'll hit your hypocrisy limit for the day! IF, you are going to post to Rush Limbaughs coments you should really listen to him. The left wing site you base your comments on about him are doing your credibility no favor......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #234 June 11, 2009 I've already done that. You're still dodging, I see. Dodge away! Facts being stubborn things, they'll be there for you whenever you find courage to face them. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites happythoughts 0 #235 June 11, 2009 Hmm... let's say that 5 people who criticize James Earl Ray (MLKs assassin) can be proven to be a racist. That still wouldn't invalidate any facts that they presented. Does that change the fact that JER is a racist ? No, it merely allows the respondent to avoid a discussion of the original facts. No matter who is posing questions about a SC nominee, what matters are the facts and the questions about those facts. It is the thought process of the nominee that has importance for the whole country (and the world for some issues). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #236 June 11, 2009 Quote IF, you are going to post to Rush Limbaughs coments you should really listen to him. The left wing site you base your comments on about him are doing your credibility no favor...... Did he say those things or not? I'd hate to think that you're implying that context may be a factor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #237 June 11, 2009 Quote Facts being stubborn things, they'll be there for you whenever you find courage to face them. Fitting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #238 June 11, 2009 How so? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #239 June 11, 2009 Quote Quote IF, you are going to post to Rush Limbaughs coments you should really listen to him. The left wing site you base your comments on about him are doing your credibility no favor...... Did he say those things or not? I'd hate to think that you're implying that context may be a factor Ya think>?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #240 June 11, 2009 Quote How so? By ignoring "facts" listed in the thread that address your context concerns. Simply because one particular poster hasn't provided the information doesn't mean that the information hasn't been provided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #241 June 11, 2009 Quote Did he say those things or not? I'd hate to think that you're implying that context may be a factor Ya think>?So, why should we give Rush more latitude or respect for context than a SC nominee? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #242 June 11, 2009 QuoteSo, why should we give Rush more latitude or respect for context than a SC nominee? Because he's not in a position to be seated in a lifetime appointment to the most powerful judicial body in the country? So it doesn't really matter what he thinks or says?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #243 June 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteSo, why should we give Rush more latitude or respect for context than a SC nominee? Because he's not in a position to be seated in a lifetime appointment to the most powerful judicial body in the country? So it doesn't really matter what he thinks or says? I agree with the second but I don't understand your first question/reply. It seems you're saying that we should consider Rush's quotes in full context because he's not a SC nominee, however it's ok to paraphrase Sotomayor's comments because she is being considered for a lifetime appointment. I don't think that's what you meant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #244 June 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo, why should we give Rush more latitude or respect for context than a SC nominee? Because he's not in a position to be seated in a lifetime appointment to the most powerful judicial body in the country? So it doesn't really matter what he thinks or says? I agree with the second but I don't understand your first question/reply. It seems you're saying that we should consider Rush's quotes in full context because he's not a SC nominee, however it's ok to paraphrase Sotomayor's comments because she is being considered for a lifetime appointment. I don't think that's what you meant. I have read the entire thing. In context, she is a bigot at the very least and and racists at worst. Limbaugh uses satire all the time. Listen and you know that. Read the transcripts of the entire segment and you will see that. I have done this for her since I did not hear her say it. She considers herself more qualified that a white male. Than ANY white male. Her experiences are better suited (In her opinion) to make her a SCJ. Bigot (by billvons definition) or racists. Your choice"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,076 #245 June 11, 2009 >IF, you are going to post to Rush Limbaughs coments you should really listen to him. Although I don't really have the time to listen to right wing talk shows, I have read two of his books. He is a very smart guy, but is also a racist. And I'm not sure why right wingers jump to defend him so quickly. He's an entertainer, for crying out loud. He may have decided that racism sells, in which case his comments make him a smart businessman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #246 June 11, 2009 Quote >IF, you are going to post to Rush Limbaughs coments you should really listen to him. Although I don't really have the time to listen to right wing talk shows, I have read two of his books. He is a very smart guy, but is also a racist. And I'm not sure why right wingers jump to defend him so quickly. He's an entertainer, for crying out loud. He may have decided that racism sells, in which case his comments make him a smart businessman. If he is a racist (your claim) or sells racism (again your claim) then Obama is conservative. Again, you need to get your info somewhere else. I have read his books too. I find it hard to see where you could gleen that he is a racists from them"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,076 #247 June 11, 2009 >Again, you need to get your info somewhere else. You mean other than his books? OK. What's a more authoritative source? Newsmax? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #248 June 11, 2009 Quote>Again, you need to get your info somewhere else. You mean other than his books? OK. What's a more authoritative source? Newsmax? Well Newsmax is must be better than where you get yours. You should really expand your news sources (other than the ONE you admited to reading) and the ones you will not tell us about"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,076 #249 June 11, 2009 >Well Newsmax is must be better than where you get yours. OK, Newsmax is more of an authority on Rush Limbaugh than Rush Limbaugh is. Again, I cannot for the life of me figure out why defending Rush Limbaugh is so important to some people, and why on earth they would appoint him de facto head of the republican party. He's an entertainer, like Olbermann, Malkin, Coulter et al. They make money by being controversial, not by being factual, unbiased or by being good leaders. >You should really expand your news sources . . . You are arguing your point based on your listening to right wing commentators, and you want _me_ to expand my news sources? I'd suggest that a library is a better place to get political information than your car radio. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TomAiello 26 #250 June 11, 2009 Sotomayor's statements are deserving of a far higher level of scrutiny and discussion than Limbaugh's. She's an important political figure, who is currently under consideration for a lifetime position on our highest court. He's an entertainer. If you can't see how one of them ought to be scrutinized more thoughtfully, and closely, than the other, I think we're not really going to get very far trying to discuss it.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Next Page 10 of 12 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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rushmc 23 #232 June 11, 2009 Happened long before this thread "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #233 June 11, 2009 Quote>Ok... so you were lying when you said that Limbaugh "snapped >and revealed his racism the other day". Got it. Nope. If you had read my post you would have seen that. Gotta read _before_ replying. >Nope. Fair enough; Limbaugh gets a pass for praising killers who target black leaders, but you want to crucify a women who claims that her experiences as a minority could make her better than a man who does not have those experiences. Par for the course. Be careful, though. One more such post and you'll hit your hypocrisy limit for the day! IF, you are going to post to Rush Limbaughs coments you should really listen to him. The left wing site you base your comments on about him are doing your credibility no favor......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #234 June 11, 2009 I've already done that. You're still dodging, I see. Dodge away! Facts being stubborn things, they'll be there for you whenever you find courage to face them. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #235 June 11, 2009 Hmm... let's say that 5 people who criticize James Earl Ray (MLKs assassin) can be proven to be a racist. That still wouldn't invalidate any facts that they presented. Does that change the fact that JER is a racist ? No, it merely allows the respondent to avoid a discussion of the original facts. No matter who is posing questions about a SC nominee, what matters are the facts and the questions about those facts. It is the thought process of the nominee that has importance for the whole country (and the world for some issues). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #236 June 11, 2009 Quote IF, you are going to post to Rush Limbaughs coments you should really listen to him. The left wing site you base your comments on about him are doing your credibility no favor...... Did he say those things or not? I'd hate to think that you're implying that context may be a factor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #237 June 11, 2009 Quote Facts being stubborn things, they'll be there for you whenever you find courage to face them. Fitting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #238 June 11, 2009 How so? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #239 June 11, 2009 Quote Quote IF, you are going to post to Rush Limbaughs coments you should really listen to him. The left wing site you base your comments on about him are doing your credibility no favor...... Did he say those things or not? I'd hate to think that you're implying that context may be a factor Ya think>?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #240 June 11, 2009 Quote How so? By ignoring "facts" listed in the thread that address your context concerns. Simply because one particular poster hasn't provided the information doesn't mean that the information hasn't been provided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #241 June 11, 2009 Quote Did he say those things or not? I'd hate to think that you're implying that context may be a factor Ya think>?So, why should we give Rush more latitude or respect for context than a SC nominee? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #242 June 11, 2009 QuoteSo, why should we give Rush more latitude or respect for context than a SC nominee? Because he's not in a position to be seated in a lifetime appointment to the most powerful judicial body in the country? So it doesn't really matter what he thinks or says?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #243 June 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteSo, why should we give Rush more latitude or respect for context than a SC nominee? Because he's not in a position to be seated in a lifetime appointment to the most powerful judicial body in the country? So it doesn't really matter what he thinks or says? I agree with the second but I don't understand your first question/reply. It seems you're saying that we should consider Rush's quotes in full context because he's not a SC nominee, however it's ok to paraphrase Sotomayor's comments because she is being considered for a lifetime appointment. I don't think that's what you meant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #244 June 11, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo, why should we give Rush more latitude or respect for context than a SC nominee? Because he's not in a position to be seated in a lifetime appointment to the most powerful judicial body in the country? So it doesn't really matter what he thinks or says? I agree with the second but I don't understand your first question/reply. It seems you're saying that we should consider Rush's quotes in full context because he's not a SC nominee, however it's ok to paraphrase Sotomayor's comments because she is being considered for a lifetime appointment. I don't think that's what you meant. I have read the entire thing. In context, she is a bigot at the very least and and racists at worst. Limbaugh uses satire all the time. Listen and you know that. Read the transcripts of the entire segment and you will see that. I have done this for her since I did not hear her say it. She considers herself more qualified that a white male. Than ANY white male. Her experiences are better suited (In her opinion) to make her a SCJ. Bigot (by billvons definition) or racists. Your choice"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #245 June 11, 2009 >IF, you are going to post to Rush Limbaughs coments you should really listen to him. Although I don't really have the time to listen to right wing talk shows, I have read two of his books. He is a very smart guy, but is also a racist. And I'm not sure why right wingers jump to defend him so quickly. He's an entertainer, for crying out loud. He may have decided that racism sells, in which case his comments make him a smart businessman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #246 June 11, 2009 Quote >IF, you are going to post to Rush Limbaughs coments you should really listen to him. Although I don't really have the time to listen to right wing talk shows, I have read two of his books. He is a very smart guy, but is also a racist. And I'm not sure why right wingers jump to defend him so quickly. He's an entertainer, for crying out loud. He may have decided that racism sells, in which case his comments make him a smart businessman. If he is a racist (your claim) or sells racism (again your claim) then Obama is conservative. Again, you need to get your info somewhere else. I have read his books too. I find it hard to see where you could gleen that he is a racists from them"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #247 June 11, 2009 >Again, you need to get your info somewhere else. You mean other than his books? OK. What's a more authoritative source? Newsmax? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #248 June 11, 2009 Quote>Again, you need to get your info somewhere else. You mean other than his books? OK. What's a more authoritative source? Newsmax? Well Newsmax is must be better than where you get yours. You should really expand your news sources (other than the ONE you admited to reading) and the ones you will not tell us about"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #249 June 11, 2009 >Well Newsmax is must be better than where you get yours. OK, Newsmax is more of an authority on Rush Limbaugh than Rush Limbaugh is. Again, I cannot for the life of me figure out why defending Rush Limbaugh is so important to some people, and why on earth they would appoint him de facto head of the republican party. He's an entertainer, like Olbermann, Malkin, Coulter et al. They make money by being controversial, not by being factual, unbiased or by being good leaders. >You should really expand your news sources . . . You are arguing your point based on your listening to right wing commentators, and you want _me_ to expand my news sources? I'd suggest that a library is a better place to get political information than your car radio. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #250 June 11, 2009 Sotomayor's statements are deserving of a far higher level of scrutiny and discussion than Limbaugh's. She's an important political figure, who is currently under consideration for a lifetime position on our highest court. He's an entertainer. If you can't see how one of them ought to be scrutinized more thoughtfully, and closely, than the other, I think we're not really going to get very far trying to discuss it.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
