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[lawrocket 3]

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at the time she had a job and a partner - why shouldn't she have a child?

I have found in my experience that rarely does a partner become abusive only after months or years. And it seems that she has not one but three kids.

Also, why would the loss of a partner equate the loss of a job? I have represented hundreds of people who have split from a partner, had kids, and kept a job. I have even EMPLOYED some of these people.

It sure would be nice, in my thinking, if people quit making excuses for themselves and others. I describe my drill sergeant as the cruelest and kindest person I ever knew. He was the first person to push me beyond what I thought were my capabilities. He was hard. He was tough. And when he pulled me aside in my second week and said, "You have capabilities that you haven't even touched. You WILL do this and you WILL succeed. And I WILL not let you fail me or fail yourself." He pushed me to my limits - physical and mental.

And I did it. And I excelled. Drill Sergeant Nichols did not let me feel sorry for myself, which I had done for years. Failing out of college went from being the "worst thing that ever happened to me" to being my fault and something that I could fix. So I had a learning disability. No excuses.

He would not let me make excuses, nor give them. And to see him smile - WOW! His cruelty was actually kindness.

You may think that these people are incapable of anything else. I do not. You may may think that mother of three can do not better with her life. I disagree. You may think it a wonderful thing to coddle this lady in order to minimize the pain she may feel. I disagree, for the consequence is a life without satisfaction.

You perhaps have never experienced failure the way I have. You would think it horrible to try to get the most out of a person. Make no mistakes - Drill Sergeant Nichols got the most out of me for his benefit. I took far more from him than he could have EVER gotten from me.

My physical therapist was similarly cruel. I thank her for restoring movement to my knee.

So right now she is a loser leech. If you think I lump her kids in that then you are mistaken. These kids have no choice. She does. She has the choice to stop being a loser leech.

Sadly, there are far too many people out there who believe that this is the best thing she can do. You think she is incapable of doing any better.

I disagree.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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So how much should I pay this woman so I am no longer labeled a heartless bastard by your standard? How much more of my check should be given to her?

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[lawrocket 3]

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from your higher caste position

Do you think I was born there? I wasn't. Thanks to education and work and not knocking women up I moved up.

But you're not interested in my real story. It would operate against your preconceived notions.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lawrocket 3]

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(by mentioning mozilo you are now implying that this woman can and should be charged with fraud - neat. but what about the rest of the bankers)

When an individual takes something from someone and gives it to himself or herslf it is called theft, fraud, etc. This is regardless of whether the person is poor or rich.

When a the government takes something from someone and gives it to someone else, it is called a "bailout." This is regardless of whether it is billions to bankers or trillions in welfare.

Either way - someone is gaining and someone is losing. Some find this to be "fair."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,120]

>what i am not willing to do is spit on those who get ground down by life and
>assume they are living 'loser' lives or put them into a whole class of 'mcworkers'
>who can be paid peanuts and then laid off in millions.

Right. You are just willing to spit on the children of those who get ground down by the financial system. You assume they are greedy scumbags and lump them into a class of "leeches" who you despise. Until, of course, you start to notice that all the taxes they were paying have gone away and now there's no one to support your favorite class of people.

It is a common scenario - the "oppressed workers" hate the "fat cats" at "the top" which really means they hate everyone above their salary/rank/position. Ironically, those fat cats are the ones who, when those workers are working, pay their salaries and who, when they are not working, pay their welfare bills.

[dreamdancer 0]

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>what i am not willing to do is spit on those who get ground down by life and
>assume they are living 'loser' lives or put them into a whole class of 'mcworkers'
>who can be paid peanuts and then laid off in millions.

Right. You are just willing to spit on the children of those who get ground down by the financial system. You assume they are greedy scumbags and lump them into a class of "leeches" who you despise. Until, of course, you start to notice that all the taxes they were paying have gone away and now there's no one to support your favorite class of people.

an entertaining attempt at reading my mind - do your powers never cease

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[mnealtx 0]

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an entertaining attempt at reading my mind - do your powers never cease

Are you looking in the mirror or something, because that's EXACTLY what your responses to everyone in this thread have been.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[kelpdiver 2]

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Until, of course, you start to notice that all the taxes they were paying have gone away and now there's no one to support your favorite class of people.

New York and NYC are really missing those taxes now.

[billvon 3,120]

>an entertaining attempt at reading my mind - do your powers never cease

They pale in comparison to the clairvoyance you have employed to read Lawrocket's mind! I clearly have much to learn from you when it comes to mindreading.

[dreamdancer 0]

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>an entertaining attempt at reading my mind - do your powers never cease

They pale in comparison to the clairvoyance you have employed to read Lawrocket's mind! I clearly have much to learn from you when it comes to mindreading.

he appears to have donated it freely - when he knows almost nothing of the family concerned.

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[billvon 3,120]

>when he knows almost nothing of the family concerned.

Another excellent bit of mindreading! I am in awe. I eagerly await your next read.

[millertime24 8]

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>when he knows almost nothing of the family concerned.

Another excellent bit of mindreading! I am in awe. I eagerly await your next read.

Just brouse this website for a while.

http://www.alternet.org/

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[Rookie120 0]

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New York and NYC are really missing those taxes now.

Tell me about it. I get to hear all the politicians whine about it on the news in the evening but they never seem to figure out why companies are leaving the area.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[Rookie120 0]

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he appears to have donated it freely

Speaking of donate, you never answered my question of how much should I be taxed so this woman can continue to use her uterus as a puppy mill and stay home and not have to work? Please tell me! I really would like to know.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[dreamdancer 0]

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he appears to have donated it freely

Speaking of donate, you never answered my question of how much should I be taxed so this woman can continue to use her uterus as a puppy mill and stay home and not have to work? Please tell me! I really would like to know.

should i talk about your mother that way

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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[justinb138 0]

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he appears to have donated it freely

Speaking of donate, you never answered my question of how much should I be taxed so this woman can continue to use her uterus as a puppy mill and stay home and not have to work? Please tell me! I really would like to know.

should i talk about your mother that way

Nope, you should answer the question, assuming you're capable of doing so.

[dreamdancer 0]

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>when he knows almost nothing of the family concerned.

Another excellent bit of mindreading! I am in awe. I eagerly await your next read.

he knows more than the article presents?

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[billvon 3,120]

>he knows more than the article presents?

I don't know! I don't have your mindreading skills. You, for example, somehow know that he is laughing at drowning children, so I figured you had the inside scoop on what he knows and doesn't know.

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the best mother she can be will depend on her starting circumstances. in the first case there was an abusive father so she made the right choice to leave.

In my opinion this kind of choice alone does not tell anything about how good the mother is, and does not justify welfare. I believe it's your opinion too, as you're not supporting her with your money.

* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. *

[dreamdancer 0]

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>he knows more than the article presents?

I don't know! I don't have your mindreading skills. You, for example, somehow know that he is laughing at drowning children, so I figured you had the inside scoop on what he knows and doesn't know.

goodness - what a hullabaloo about very little

(if you didn't get it the children are not literally, drowning in water - perhaps i should have said 'economically drowning')

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[dreamdancer 0]

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he appears to have donated it freely

Speaking of donate, you never answered my question of how much should I be taxed so this woman can continue to use her uterus as a puppy mill and stay home and not have to work? Please tell me! I really would like to know.

should i talk about your mother that way

Nope.

why is that?

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[mnealtx 0]

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>an entertaining attempt at reading my mind - do your powers never cease

They pale in comparison to the clairvoyance you have employed to read Lawrocket's mind! I clearly have much to learn from you when it comes to mindreading.

he appears to have donated it freely - when he knows almost nothing of the family concerned.

Well, then, why don't you go ahead and explain YOUR relationship to them, and how YOU evidently know them so well.

For that matter, since you evidentely know them so well, why don't you tell us all what YOU are doing to support them in their time of need (beyond saying that the REST of us have to, that is)?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Rookie120 0]

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Nope.

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why is that?

Glad you left off the rest of that sentence. Here I'll repeat it.


"Nope, you should answer the question, assuming you're capable of doing so."


And here is the question I asked,

How much should I be taxed so this woman can continue to use her uterus as a puppy mill and stay home and not have to work?

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[justinb138 0]

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why is that?

Well, if you want the honest answer, it's because you started this thread based on an opinion you have about something, and it'd be rational to make an argument in support of that opinion.

However, when people questioned the rationale behind your opinion, instead of refuting their arguments based on reason, you chose to:

1. Attempted to defend the source of your story by insulting a political group and news station completely unrelated to the topic.

2. Accused another poster of wanting children to be homeless when they said nothing of the sort.

3. Posted a similar story, while providing no reason to back up your opinion on the matter.

4. Transition to a different topic in which more people might agree with your opinion (bank bailouts).

5. Accused bankers of stealing this womans house.

6. Accused lawrocket of defending the bankers and insulting the woman.

7. More mind reading attempts.

8. Posted a story about rich bankers, unrelated to the original topic.

9. More mind reading and accusations.

10. More comparisons to the bankers.

11. More accusations.

At no point in this thread have you attempted to make a rational argument in support of your opinion on this topic, you've just been rambling on about how unfortunate her life is and then insulting other posters when they remind you that it is of her own making.

You've offered no solution to the problem, and when confronted with questions you are either unable or unwilling to answer, you try to change the subject or distract from the original topic.

Here are the most recent questions that were asked by other posters, I challenge you to answer them, provided you are capable of doing so:

How much should I be taxed so this woman can continue to use her uterus as a puppy mill and stay home and not have to work?

So how much should I pay this woman so I am no longer labeled a heartless bastard by your standard?


Why should I be made to bear the cost of her failure to be responsible?

Why should I be penalized for being responsible when she is rewarded for being irresponsible?


Does her 'need' justify the taking of my earnings by force?

[jcd11235 0]

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When a the government takes something from someone and gives it to someone else, it is called a "bailout." This is regardless of whether it is billions to bankers or trillions in welfare.

Actually, it's called a redistribution of resources, which happens to be one of the most fundamental purposes of government (although those resources are not always in the form of money).

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