dreamdancer 0 #76 June 4, 2009 Quote Quote the best thing she can do for society to make herself useful is to be the best mother she can be - duh! Well, being "the best mother she can be" is not something indeed useful. For some it's just not smoking crack every day. Quote (meanwhile you keep watching her and her kids drowning and are spending your time laughing at them and calling them names) So you wanna help? I could give you the addresses of several local nonprofits which help poor, and where you could send the money. Or all you can do is talking in forums while she and her kids are starving? Wouldn't surprise me. now you're accusing her of being a cocaine abuser (why do you think you have that right - should i ask you about your mother's drug habits)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #77 June 4, 2009 Quote So it is agreed. The best thing we can do is be good parents. I have two kids. The best thing I can doi is be a good father to them. Time spent taking care of this chick is bad. why are you wasting time in this thread throwing bricks at her and her children then - is it just good fun (and remember you personally haven't given a penny to this woman or her children - yet continuously, and falsely, you attempt to claim the higher moral ground)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #78 June 4, 2009 Quote now you're accusing her of being a cocaine abuser I don't really understand why do you feel it's necessary to make things up, and then replying to them as if they were really said. Still, mind to tell us how much did you help her, besides (presumably illegally) quoting alternet?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #79 June 4, 2009 Quote >(meanwhile you keep watching her and her kids drowning and are spending >your time laughing at them and calling them names) Sell tickets to the above-described child-drowning. Make a mint on popcorn sales to evil sadistic capitalist worker-abusers. Use the proceeds to establish a college fund for the surviving children (at a _liberal_ arts college of course, so they don't get infected by capitalism.) Problem solved, and the mother never has to sully herself by working or being anything other than the perfect mother. a good attempt at humour (meanwhile we now have a clearer idea of who here would be pushing women and children aside to get on the titanic lifeboats)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #80 June 4, 2009 Quotenow you're accusing her of being a cocaine abuser No. But believe it or not, there is a large issue with drug abuse in poor areas, section 8 housing, etc. I could cite some personal knowledge of this from having participated in the eviction of tweakers and a couple of crackheads. Oh - and calling CPS in two of those cases. Quotewhy do you think you have that right Because we are people who are free to speak. Yes, we have that right. It's even in our Constitution. You may find it tasteless, but we have that right. Much like my not saying, "The government has no right to tax me on the basis of my income." I don't say it because, well, it's right there in the Constitution that it can. So, the government DOES have the right to force me to financially support loser leeches and their kids. No success goes unpunished, nor failure unrewarded. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #81 June 4, 2009 you still wasting time and your spite in this thread?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #82 June 4, 2009 QuoteWell, being "the best mother she can be" is not something indeed useful. For some it's just not smoking crack every day. what does this mean?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #83 June 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteWell, being "the best mother she can be" is not something indeed useful. For some it's just not smoking crack every day. what does this mean? This means that your definition of being "the best mother she can be" is very vague, and does not describe anything specific. "Doing their best" might mean different things (and different results) to different people. For some mothers doing their best might just mean stopping abusing their children. Now back to the question - so, how exactly did you help her?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #84 June 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteWell, being "the best mother she can be" is not something indeed useful. For some it's just not smoking crack every day. what does this mean? This means that your definition of being "the best mother she can be" is very vague, and does not describe anything specific. "Doing their best" might mean different things (and different results) to different people. For some mothers doing their best might just mean stopping abusing their children. Now back to the question - so, how exactly did you help her? the best mother she can be will depend on her starting circumstances. in the first case there was an abusive father so she made the right choice to leave.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #85 June 4, 2009 Quotewhy are you wasting time in this thread throwing bricks at her and her children then - is it just good fun Because like it or not, my taxes are being used to support her. That's why. I didn't ask to get involved in her life. Yet, I am required to be. And, of course, you are the one who brought her up as an example of how horrible she and her kids are treated, even though she hasn't done a damned thing to assist herself. Just "help herself" to to gravy train. Quote(and remember you personally haven't given a penny to this woman or her children Personally? No. I have not met her and given her alms. Had I met her and given her alms, then I would have no reason to bitch about what I have given her of my own free will. The fact that I have not PERSONALLY given her any money is what is most infuriating. I don't want my money going to support her lifestyle. I want my money going to MY kids - not hers. Mine. Yes. Mine. Not yours. Not anybody else's. My kids. I will take care of mine and nobody else will take care of MY kids except THEIR mother and those people whom MY wife and I choose to take care of them. And yet, my money is TAKEN from me by the same entity that GIVES it to her. Yep. There is a middle man to TAKE MY money and GIVE IT to HER. So personally? No. And yet, I feel the loss. She gets the gain. Quoteyet continuously, and falsely, you attempt to claim the higher moral ground Falsely claim the moral high ground? I don't claim a "moral" high ground. What is moral about the taking of a person's property? Please - I'd like to see your explanation. There is moral sense in helping those who need help. It is probably objectively immoral to take from someone, no matter what the good you hope to do. Decouvrir saint Pierre pour couvrir saint Paul. Your way of thinking involves taking things from people. That is objectively immoral and wrong. My way of doing leaves nobody worse off than they otherwise would be but for the pre-existing theft. Want to help someone? Good for you and I applaud you. Want to help someone by making me help that person? Then bitch at me for being a bad guy for not wanting to help? Indeed. You show zero respect for anyone in that. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #86 June 4, 2009 Quote And, of course, you are the one who brought her up as an example of how horrible she and her kids are treated, even though she hasn't done a damned thing to assist herself. Just "help herself" to to gravy train. no, i'm the one who compared her treatment to that of the bankers who have just gotten trillions in welfare payments (do you call them loser leeches - or is it just children)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #87 June 4, 2009 Oh, I've heard lawrocket excoriate the bankers too Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #88 June 4, 2009 >no, i'm the one who compared her treatment to that of the bankers who have just >gotten trillions in welfare payments. Let's keep things fair, then. Lawrocket will continue to pay the bills of the poor woman in your first example, and you can pay the bills for the banker's kids. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #89 June 4, 2009 has he called them and their children 'loser leeches' (hat off to him if he has)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #90 June 4, 2009 Quote >no, i'm the one who compared her treatment to that of the bankers who have just >gotten trillions in welfare payments. Let's keep things fair, then. Lawrocket will continue to pay the bills of the poor woman in your first example, and you can pay the bills for the banker's kids. another good attempt at humour stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #91 June 4, 2009 Quotethe best mother she can be will depend on her starting circumstances. in the first case there was an abusive father so she made the right choice to leave. Yep. You choose your start point. I choose my starting point as, "Her decision to get pregnant.' There is quite a distance in time between yours and mine. And it turns out that she had an awful lot of choice that you don't like to consider. Unfortunate? Yes. Her choice? Yep. My guess is I have donate at least $10k more than you to women's and children's shelters. It is and has been a very personally important issue for me. I donate my money to the issue. I donate my time to the issue. If anyone wants to actually take my money and give it to a shelter, I will object. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #92 June 4, 2009 Quotehas he called them and their children 'loser leeches' I called the parents "loser leeches." I did not refer to the children in the same way. And I'll call Mozillo a loser leech, too. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #93 June 4, 2009 >another good attempt at humour Humor? Why, my good man, it almost appears as if you are wanting others to do what you yourself are not willing to do! Surely I am mistaken, and you would gladly pay for a banker's children if said banker were laid off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #94 June 4, 2009 Quote no, i'm the one who compared her treatment to that of the bankers who have just gotten trillions in welfare payments Wow - we're up to *trillions* now? It's hard talking with a guy that makes up numbers out of thin air. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #95 June 5, 2009 QuoteQuotethe best mother she can be will depend on her starting circumstances. in the first case there was an abusive father so she made the right choice to leave. Yep. You choose your start point. I choose my starting point as, "Her decision to get pregnant.'. at the time she had a job and a partner - why shouldn't she have a child? (and the start point should be from the circumstances she was born into - but you're not interested in her real story just the fact that you can pin 'loser leech' and 'little thief' on her from your higher caste position)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #96 June 5, 2009 Quote>another good attempt at humour Humor? Why, my good man, it almost appears as if you are wanting others to do what you yourself are not willing to do! Surely I am mistaken, and you would gladly pay for a banker's children if said banker were laid off. what i am not willing to do is spit on those who get ground down by life and assume they are living 'loser' lives or put them into a whole class of 'mcworkers' who can be paid peanuts and then laid off in millions. (meanwhile the bankers are still getting away with murder)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #97 June 5, 2009 QuoteQuotehas he called them and their children 'loser leeches' I called the parents "loser leeches." I did not refer to the children in the same way. And I'll call Mozillo a loser leech, too. you don't refer to them explicitly as 'leeches' but the implication is there. the same as you don't explicitly call her a cocaine abuser - but you bring the subject up so the implication is there. (by mentioning mozilo you are now implying that this woman can and should be charged with fraud - neat. but what about the rest of the bankers)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #98 June 5, 2009 Quote at the time she had a job and a partner - why shouldn't she have a child? At the current time, I have enough money to go and buy a nice flat screen TV, why shouldn't I? Because I have to pay the rent for my apartment, utility bills, etc.. Why should I be made to bear the cost of her failure to be responsible? Why should I be penalized for being responsible when she is rewarded for being irresponsible? When you reward something, don't you usually get more of it? Does her 'need' justify the taking of my earnings by force? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #99 June 5, 2009 Quotehas he called them and their children 'loser leeches' See, now instead of trying to make your point, you're trying to attack the other person; I'm assuming because you've realized that you can't respond with an answer based on reason. Quote you don't refer to them explicitly as 'leeches' but the implication is there. the same as you don't explicitly call her a cocaine abuser - but you bring the subject up so the implication is there. So now you're not only off the topic you're discussing, you're trying to explain to him what he was thinking when he wrote what he did? Quote (by mentioning mozilo you are now implying that this woman can and should be charged with fraud - neat. but what about the rest of the bankers) Actually, I believe she would be charged with possession of stolen property, assuming that the money she had was taken by anybody but the government. And again, you're trying to bring the bankers into the issue, which isn't even related to the topic at hand. It's a pretty obvious attempt to distract from the fact that you don't have reasonable response, and it's getting kind of annoying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #100 June 5, 2009 Quote what i am not willing to do is spit on those who get ground down by life We've already established that you're all show and no go, seeing as how you expect every one else to support her but have no desire to do so yourself. Quote and assume they are living 'loser' lives or The fact that someone is living off money that was taken from other people pretty much eliminates the need to assume anything in this case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
