Foreclosure Crisis Hits Poor Renters Hard: Evicted Families Have to Fight to Live Together

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being a good mother isn't productive?

Not working to support your kids is not being a good mother.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[TomAiello 26]

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you, personally have not paid or given this woman or her children a single penny - yet you are happy to sound off about her value compared to yours

Anyone who pays net taxes into the system is giving (rather, being forced to give) money to those who (net) take out of the system.

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[TomAiello 26]

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being a good mother isn't productive?

Not working to support your kids is not being a good mother.

What, you don't think Octo-mom is what all women should aspire to be?

Have 14 kids and go on welfare--Dreamdancer will be happy to support you. Or rather, he'll be happy to say that other people should support you, since he doesn't even live in the same country.

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[Rookie120 0]

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Have 14 kids and go on welfare--Dreamdancer will be happy to support you.

I dont want anybodys help. They is a reason why my wife and I haven't had any yet. We cant afford it at the moment. Once we get our student loans knocked out we might think about it. A kid is the last thing we need right now.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[dreamdancer 0]

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you, personally have not paid or given this woman or her children a single penny - yet you are happy to sound off about her value compared to yours

Anyone who pays net taxes into the system is giving (rather, being forced to give) money to those who (net) take out of the system.

so it's all about dollars eh?

(how's your childrens 'value' - they put anything into the 'system' yet)

my point being that you cannot tell what value this woman has to the economy. perhaps one of her children (if treated properly by the 'system') will end up a multi-billionaire and in his or her lifetime pay back many times the total 'welfare' taken up by the entire family now

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[dreamdancer 0]

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being a good mother isn't productive?

Not working to support your kids is not being a good mother.

What, you don't think Octo-mom is what all women should aspire to be?

Have 14 kids and go on welfare--Dreamdancer will be happy to support you. Or rather, he'll be happy to say that other people should support you, since he doesn't even live in the same country.

your feverish imagination is breeding kids - calm down
(how's your english)

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[dreamdancer 0]

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and in return i'll tell you to perform a five word act of six letters, two letters, five letters, four letters and then two!

and you can finish off with a single act consisting of ten or eleven letters at least, if not more (but don't involve any of the pets)
(meanwhile the bankers have all swapped houses)

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[lawrocket 3]

Perhaps the child will end up a billionaire? Hey, having spent my youth and my 20's poor perhaps I can give you some insight.

Those of us from my childhood who are doing the best (on the right track) have three things in common: (1) we worked our asses off (in school and employment); (2) we got in debt to our eyeballs (through education and business loans); and (3) we started our families later in life.

I believe that the greatest hope these kids have of being gazillionaires is to get their mother off of the government dole. Mom will have to work to support her kids. For the kids to get ahead they will have to see that work pays off.

From my experience on things, it was somewhat upsetting as a child that my parents were gone all day. As I became an adult I recognized what they sacrificed - for me. I never went hungry but they would. They missed some of my soccer practices but never missed a house payment

And I found out what being a good parent and taking care of kids was about - giving them the chance to succeed even if that means giving them a roof over their heads while working a night job.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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hey, it's america - anyone can end up a billionaire - you don't know
you can only guess (and in the meantime assume you actually do know) perhaps one of her children will end up a future president and save us all from global war? how's that for 'value'

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[lawrocket 3]

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hey, it's america - anyone can end up a billionaire - you don't know
you can only guess (and in the meantime assume you actually do know) perhaps one of her children will end up a future president and save us all from global war? how's that for 'value'

Yes. Indeed - you can spend $500k on a house that was only worth 300k a couple of years ago and it might wnd up being worth a cool million by 2012.

I like the way you think. You could be a fucking Congressman with that thinking! Even better, you can forcibly take my money and buy up every house out there because one of them might pay off.

Great thinking there, pilgrim. I wish I could spend tens of trillions of other peoples' money over the last 40 years to try your theory. Our problem has been that we haven't spent nearly enough. We know we haven't spent enough because it hasn't happened yet.

Man - THIS is how you test out quantum theory on a macro scale! In theory, ANYTHING is possible with enough iterations.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lawrocket 3]

Of course, how you can support giving trillions to do nothings and not support putting the $ teat into the mouths of bankers is astonishing.

Think about it - fund all the banks with $10 trillion in capital - a $5 quadrillion investment. One of them may give a business loan to the person who provides the planet with cheap and non-polluting energy. It's be worth the quadrillions.

Sure, history suggests that governments tend to fund failed systems, thus continuing the failures in perpetuity. But there is the possibility that we could be sucked into a new universe of peace and love where there are no questions, darkness or weakness but only answers. Light and strength.

Dig it.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[georgerussia 0]

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I sure wish you would stop using the science fiction source linked to here

Not to mention it's against Alternet's own terms of service which prohibit reproduction unless he has a written permission (which I somehow doubt).

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[georgerussia 0]

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(how's your childrens 'value' - they put anything into the 'system' yet)

Everything my children took so far from the system - police, parks, roads, education, military, etc - was paid with my and my wife tax dollars. This, I believe, is the case for most of us.

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my point being that you cannot tell what value this woman has to the economy. perhaps one of her children (if treated properly by the 'system') will end up a multi-billionaire

Well, we all can tell what the value of this woman HAS to the economy.
You, of course, could speculate about what her value COULD be, but unless you can prove your point, it will still be just speculations.

I wonder how many homeless children are you hosting in your home. Not just because you think of children - but perhaps one of them will end up a multi-billionaire, so it makes a lot of sense, right?

And I'm 100% with Lawrocket.

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Let's think about the individuals who tapped into Wall Street's rigged wealth transfer system and what they have done with their ill-gotten loot: typically, they own three or more homes, fancy cars, multiple country club memberships, airplanes, yachts, and numbered offshore bank accounts. The problem is, they just can't buy enough to compensate for the purchases they have deprived hundreds of thousands of other consumers from being able to make.

Goods sit on shelves, new orders get cancelled, leading to production cuts, layoffs, plant closings and bankruptcies.

In a nutshell, it's the $1 Billion that Sandy Weill extracted from Citigroup as its former CEO and Chairman that's the problem; it's the $42 million condo he bought that's depriving 140 other people from having $300,000 to buy a home ready to go into foreclosure for want of a buyer. It's the hundreds of millions Weill is throwing around to plaster his name and his wife's name on buildings that could be in the hands of 10,000 consumers going out to buy Chrysler and GM cars now gathering dust on the lots of dealers about to go bust.

It's also that Sandy Weill and his colleagues of that era on Wall Street did not do anything worthy or smart in exchange for extracting that wealth from the system. They repealed the regulations that had kept the system on a more solid footing, then looted the system and left it a basket case. We have no residual benefits of innovation to compensate for all that missing wealth.

And that is the real and overlooked attendant danger: too many billionaires sitting atop too many billions tied up in mansions and yachts means that millions of budding innovators and entrepreneurs are being deprived of adequate funds to create the breakthroughs that will lead to new industries and future job growth.

And let's not forget about the trillions of dollars of wealth that evaporated in bogus ventures that Weill and his fellow Wall Streeters brought to market on NASDAQ. Add those trillions to the bailout trillions and you're looking at a lost generation of funds for innovation.

What all of this means is that President Obama has precious little time left to stop rewarding failure and bad behavior before his own Presidency is deemed a failure. It was difficult enough to countenance the reappearance in his administration of all those Wall Street faces who failed to rein in the Wall Street abuses or, worse, aided and abetted the actual creation of the opaque system that permitted the looting and pillaging. But this past week's news that the President might be considering a pivotal role for the Federal Reserve in the new regulatory structure planned for Wall Street crosses the line, if true, from hubris to outright contempt for the American people.

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/140394/our_economy_is_going_to_keep_tanking_until_we_stop_shoveling_billions_to_rich_people/

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[georgerussia 0]

Couple of questions for you.

- Do you have your own personal opinion, or you just merged it with alternet?

- Do you have written permission to reproduce alternet content, as its reproducing is prohibited by alternet ToS (scroll down the page), and therefore if you do not have it, your action violates the copyright law?

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[dreamdancer 0]

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we got in debt to our eyeballs.

you're advising these homeless parents to 'get in debt to their eyeballs'

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[lawrocket 3]

Yes.

I see why you are pro-union, pro-just-about-anything-that-is-parasitic. The tapeworm is never indebted to its parasitic host. The welfare queen never has to pay a cent of it back and bitches when the parasitic host (society) runs out of blood the suck dry. The union doesn't care if it destroys a company or the lives of its members.

You can call me "realitydancer."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[dreamdancer 0]

and how is she going to repay this debt you're intent on pushing on her?

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and how is she going to repay this debt you're intent on pushing on her?

There's this new thing going around - it's called "a job".

Mike
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a minimum wage job is going to repay her debts?

(and who looks after the children while she's at work)

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[lawrocket 3]

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and how is she going to repay this debt you're intent on pushing on her?

Where did I say that I am pushing debt on her? I wrote no such thing.

Instead, maybe she should try doing something like sacrificing her time spent alone while teh kds are in school with working a job.

I point to "debt" as things like student loans, business loans, home loans. I and not pushing any debt on her. I'm saying that until she actually makes an effort she (and her kids, while they are with her) will go nowhere.

By the way - interesting question. How would you suggest that she repay the section 8 and other public assistance she has received? She hasn't earned it. What would you recommend that she do to repay society while her kids are in school and she's by herself?

What I mean is that you are loaded with things that I should do for her. What can she do for me? What can she do to society to make herself useful?

After all, like Sandy Weill, she and her colleagues have done and continue to do nothing "worthy or smart in exchange for extracting that wealth from the system."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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you agreed that she had to get into debt 'up to her eyeballs'

the best thing she can do for society to make herself useful is to be the best mother she can be - duh!

(meanwhile you keep watching her and her kids drowning and are spending your time laughing at them and calling them names)

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[georgerussia 0]

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the best thing she can do for society to make herself useful is to be the best mother she can be - duh!

Well, being "the best mother she can be" is not something indeed useful. For some it's just not smoking crack every day.

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(meanwhile you keep watching her and her kids drowning and are spending your time laughing at them and calling them names)

So you wanna help? I could give you the addresses of several local nonprofits which help poor, and where you could send the money.
Or all you can do is talking in forums while she and her kids are starving? Wouldn't surprise me.

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[lawrocket 3]

So it is agreed. The best thing we can do is be good parents.

I have two kids. The best thing I can doi is be a good father to them. Time spent taking care of this chick is bad.

Thank you for actually making an argument in favor of my kids. I've got no business doing anything for anyone else. I've got kids.

>>>Watching her drown

Yep. I'm saying, "have you tried swimming yet?"

Meanwhile taxpayers and I are swimming while carrying her load and you're tossing bricks.

Guess what - we are tapped out.

Hey dude - george is right - go take care of them yourself. Lead by example.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 3,118]

>(meanwhile you keep watching her and her kids drowning and are spending
>your time laughing at them and calling them names)

Sell tickets to the above-described child-drowning. Make a mint on popcorn sales to evil sadistic capitalist worker-abusers. Use the proceeds to establish a college fund for the surviving children (at a _liberal_ arts college of course, so they don't get infected by capitalism.) Problem solved, and the mother never has to sully herself by working or being anything other than the perfect mother.