dreamdancer 0 #1 May 26, 2009 meanwhile the bankers still get their trillions in welfare money QuoteLast fall, Yolanda James and her three children were lost in their own city. After foreclosure had forced them from their South Los Angeles apartment, they ran into closed doors at every turn. Aid agencies offered referrals to other offices, but no relief, and neither the shelter system nor the city's high-priced housing market had room for them. James burned through her welfare money to pay for motel rooms and later resorted to sleeping with her children in their car. "I was, like, two or three different people at one time," she recalled. "I had to get on the grind, to hustle, to make sure my kids--when they get out of school, I could feed them, or I could take them somewhere to shower and bathe for the next day." Like others in Los Angeles's Black community, James, who is 34, had some ties to public resources: a rent subsidy voucher under the federal Section 8 program, a monthly food stamp allowance and hard-fought experience with the social service system, having worked as an advocate with a local anti-poverty group. Still, she wasn't prepared when the foreclosure wave hit her apartment building. Caught between a delinquent landlord and the bank, James, her 12-year-old son and her two teenage daughters lost their apartment and fell straight through the holes in the city's tattered safety net. James finally landed an apartment in November 2008 before her housing voucher expired. She said she feels safe for now but is still shaken by homelessness. "I've been a single parent for so long. I've always had a place," she said. "I just felt like I was totally wiped out. Like, 'What the hell happened? I'm not in control of anything.'" With foreclosures and job losses dragging down the whole economy, low-income families of color are plunging into an even deeper hole. While the mortgage meltdown has devastated Black and Latino homeowners, some of the hardest-hit foreclosure victims did not even own the homes they lost. According to the National Low Income Housing Coalition, about 20 percent of properties facing foreclosure in 2008 were rentals, and rental foreclosures are especially prevalent in poor communities and communities of color. In many states, the situation is complicated by a lack of legal protections for tenants against sudden eviction. The National Alliance to End Homelessness has predicted that at the current rate, the recession will result in 1.5 million additional homeless people within two years. According to the advocacy group First Focus, nearly two million children will be impacted by subprime foreclosures, including some half a million Latino children and more than 280,000 Black children. In a national survey of school systems, several hundred districts reported a surge in homeless children last fall compared to the previous school year. http://www.alternet.org/workplace/140236/foreclosure_crisis_hits_poor_renters_hard%3A_evicted_families_have_to_fight_to_live_together/stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2 May 26, 2009 From your profile "discussing politics and writing science fiction". I sure wish you would stop using the science fiction source linked to here "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #3 May 26, 2009 Quotemeanwhile the bankers still get their trillions in welfare money and the poor still get their welfare What about the middle class who get nothing but the bill?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #4 May 26, 2009 QuoteQuotemeanwhile the bankers still get their trillions in welfare money and the poor still get their welfare What about the middle class who get nothing but the bill? +1-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #5 May 26, 2009 QuoteJames, who is 34, had some ties to public resources: a rent subsidy voucher under the federal Section 8 program, a monthly food stamp allowance and hard-fought experience with the social service system we've already been subsidizing this woman's lifetime of poor choices. am i supposed to feel sorry for her? her kids, grandkids, and great grandkids will all be a drain on society. maybe instead of paying for her house and food, we should have bought her uterus a long time ago and stopped this cycle. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #6 May 26, 2009 QuoteQuoteJames, who is 34, had some ties to public resources: a rent subsidy voucher under the federal Section 8 program, a monthly food stamp allowance and hard-fought experience with the social service system we've already been subsidizing this woman's lifetime of poor choices. am i supposed to feel sorry for her? her kids, grandkids, and great grandkids will all be a drain on society. maybe instead of paying for her house and food, we should have bought her uterus a long time ago and stopped this cycle. We should just stop paying for her lifestyle. She's free to make whatever lifestyle choices she wants--it's just not fair to ask me (or, more accurately, my children) to pay for them.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #7 May 26, 2009 Quote From your profile "discussing politics and writing science fiction". I sure wish you would stop using the science fiction source linked to here i find alternet makes a refreshing change from the paranoid rightwing drivel fox delivers to its consumers stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #8 May 26, 2009 Quote Quote From your profile "discussing politics and writing science fiction". I sure wish you would stop using the science fiction source linked to here i find alternet makes a refreshing change from the paranoid rightwing drivel fox delivers to its consumers Can you even get FOX over there?-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #9 May 26, 2009 Quote Quote Quote From your profile "discussing politics and writing science fiction". I sure wish you would stop using the science fiction source linked to here i find alternet makes a refreshing change from the paranoid rightwing drivel fox delivers to its consumers Can you even get FOX over there? yes, and it isn't even subtitled stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 May 26, 2009 Quote i find alternet makes a refreshing change from the paranoid rightwing drivel fox delivers to its consumers except that it's essentially serving the same purpose for left wing idiots. One key difference, Fox pays its people and while $$ is not a direct correlation to quality, there are many respectable (and paying) left leaning media sources that talent will gravitate towards. Alternet has proven to be on par with a bad college newspaper. and isn't this story a repost? You put something up similar from them a while back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #11 May 26, 2009 Quote Quote i find alternet makes a refreshing change from the paranoid rightwing drivel fox delivers to its consumers except that it's essentially serving the same purpose for left wing idiots. One key difference, Fox pays its people and while $$ is not a direct correlation to quality, there are many respectable (and paying) left leaning media sources that talent will gravitate towards. Alternet has proven to be on par with a bad college newspaper. and isn't this story a repost? You put something up similar from them a while back. so anyone who puts up a fox story is a 'rightwing idiot' - nice to know stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #12 May 26, 2009 Fox (and anything from the opinion page at the wall street journal) is not a credible primary source. Yet it's still more credible/professional than your favorite source. Fox gets examined for mistakes and has to address criticism. Alternet is an online dumping ground that few read besides you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #13 May 26, 2009 i find it very informative (had you forgotten the homeless) stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 May 26, 2009 Quotei find it very informative By that, you mean it tells you what you want to hear. (Just like Fox does for its viewers) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #15 May 27, 2009 if you say so - i just find it very informative stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #16 May 27, 2009 Quote if you say so - i just find it very informative Reminds me of the show "The Twilight Zone"."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #17 May 28, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteJames, who is 34, had some ties to public resources: a rent subsidy voucher under the federal Section 8 program, a monthly food stamp allowance and hard-fought experience with the social service system we've already been subsidizing this woman's lifetime of poor choices. am i supposed to feel sorry for her? her kids, grandkids, and great grandkids will all be a drain on society. maybe instead of paying for her house and food, we should have bought her uterus a long time ago and stopped this cycle. We should just stop paying for her lifestyle. She's free to make whatever lifestyle choices she wants--it's just not fair to ask me (or, more accurately, my children) to pay for them. you, personally, haven't paid for anything of hers - and your children will already be rich when they leave school (but you want other children to be homeless - why is that)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #18 May 28, 2009 Quote(but you want other children to be homeless - why is that) No he wants that womman to get off her ass and get a job and stop suckin the welfare tit.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #19 May 28, 2009 QuoteQuote(but you want other children to be homeless - why is that) No he wants that womman to get off her ass and get a job and stop suckin the welfare tit. no, he wants her children to be homeless (or at the very least he doesn't care if they end up homeless) (his children will be fine so there is no need to worry)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #20 May 28, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote(but you want other children to be homeless - why is that) No he wants that womman to get off her ass and get a job and stop suckin the welfare tit. no, he wants her children to be homeless (or at the very least he doesn't care if they end up homeless) (his children will be fine so there is no need to worry) Project, much?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #21 May 28, 2009 >no, he wants her children to be homeless I think he wants all her pets DEAD! It's clear as day, right here in black and white; there is no other conclusion any sane person could come to. He's a murderer! Or worse! Why, oh why won't someone please think of the kittens and stop this crazed lunatic before he kills again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #22 May 28, 2009 back to the subject... QuoteWhile economic tumult rocked Miami's neighborhoods, Mary Trody's household gradually crumbled. Her husband lost his job delivering newspapers, and her part-time work did not pay enough to make rent. Trody, a white woman in her forties, her husband and two teenage children moved in with her mother, whose modest home in a nearby predominantly Black neighborhood had long been a refuge for the extended family. But late last year, the house got swept up in Florida's foreclosure epidemic, due to what the family believes was a predatory refinance loan. Trody then sought out local shelters but was told there was no room for the whole family. "The shelters talked about separating us," Trody recalled," and I said, 'How you gonna separate my family? My family's the only support I got now. I'm already without a house. And then you want to tear away everything that is my support?'" By February 2009, a dozen family members--including Trody's older daughter and grandchildren--saw just one way to stick together: they decided to pile into their van and live there for three days, awaiting a chance to reclaim their home. The obstacles that the Trodys encountered are common in shelters throughout the country, which often restrict access by barring children or setting age restrictions. For many families, staying intact may mean staying on the streets. The dilemma may be deepened by a looming fear of separation by child welfare authorities, who may place children in foster care. For Yolanda James's 16-year-old daughter, Mary Quaker, the threat of separation dwarfed material hardship. She struggled through living in a car, even sleeping in her school gym when her mother could not afford a motel, but she clung to what mattered. "I just wondered," she recalled, "is she going to put us somewhere so we can be able to eat and take a shower and all that? I'd always tell everybody, 'Just don't split us up. We'll all get through it together.'" http://www.alternet.org/workplace/140236/foreclosure_crisis_hits_poor_renters_hard%3A_evicted_families_have_to_fight_to_live_together/?page=2stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #23 May 28, 2009 Quote >no, he wants her children to be homeless I think he wants all her pets DEAD! It's clear as day, right here in black and white; there is no other conclusion any sane person could come to. He's a murderer! Or worse! Why, oh why won't someone please think of the kittens and stop this crazed lunatic before he kills again? you've got to remember what all this is going to cost his children (made a special point of mentioning that)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #24 May 28, 2009 Quoteyou, personally, haven't paid for anything of hers - and your children will already be rich when they leave school I've personally paid. My tax dollars at work. 34 and at prime working age - check Three kids - check. Working a paying job - nope. On welfare - check On Section 8 - check On food stamps - check Does she provide for herself? No. Does she provide for her kids? No. Does the kids' father(s) provide for the kids? No. Do I provide for her? Yes. Do I provide for her kids? Yes. Do I provide for myself? Yes, and my wife does, too. Do I provide for the mother of my kids? Yes - and she works, too. Do I provide for my kids? Yes - and their mother does, too. Do I pay my rent? No. I pay a mortgage. Hmmm. It's kinda odd how hard she got hit. And it's because there just was not enough government dole to help her quickly find a new place. Let me guess - I should do more with my finite resources to take care of her and hers instead of taking care of me and mine. I can't help but wonder that if she had a job, she may have actually had some money to get a new place. Then it would suck for her but not her kids having to move. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #25 May 28, 2009 Quote No he wants that womman to get off her ass and get a job and stop suckin the welfare tit. I think his words are very clear. Shame on you for putting words in his mouth. Oh, and I agree with him. I can see how you might not though wanting bigger government control and all. You need them to breed your side more voters"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
