Belgian_Draft 0 #326 May 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteThe marriage laws in California do not discriminate on any level.... Start calling it what it really is; discrimination based on gender.... Actually, my position has been very firm and consistent. Yeah... I am glad to see you agree with me.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasted3 0 #327 May 30, 2009 Quote Prop 8 is to prohibit gay marriage. But you don't see it as discrimination. Not against gays. Against gender, yes, as was pointed out to me. Because it applies to everybody, both straight and gay. No, because it does not specifically single out gays or homosexuals. Never mind. But what do I know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #328 May 30, 2009 Quote Quote Prop 8 is to prohibit gay marriage. But you don't see it as discrimination. Not against gays. Against gender, yes, as was pointed out to me. Because it applies to everybody, both straight and gay. No, because it does not specifically single out gays or homosexuals. Never mind. So you think that even though somebody agrees with you on every major point of a subject yet has a differing opinion on one detail the person is somehow crazy, hence the ?HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #329 May 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe marriage laws in California do not discriminate on any level.... Start calling it what it really is; discrimination based on gender.... Actually, my position has been very firm and consistent. Yeah... I am glad to see you agree with me. Can you not even see it? Y'know, the bit where you say two things which are the opposite of each other and then claim that you've been saying the same thing all along? Really?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasted3 0 #330 May 30, 2009 I put that because I can't figure out WHAT you think. And I don't think I'm going to be able to. So I'm giving up. Sorry.But what do I know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #331 May 30, 2009 QuoteActually, my position has been very firm and consistent. OK, I guess I was just misunderstanding you. Could you explain what you meant by this: Quote They have equal rights. You want them to have special rights. ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #332 May 30, 2009 Yes. You want them to have the special right of going against the California state constitution and the California Supreme court to change the definition of marriage even though it has been set by Prop.8, which passed by a simple majority and has been upheld. THAT special right. There is a procedure for changing the law and I am 100% in favor of it being done.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LyraM45 0 #333 May 30, 2009 QuoteI put that because I can't figure out WHAT you think. And I don't think I'm going to be able to. So I'm giving up. Sorry. QuoteCan you not even see it? Y'know, the bit where you say two things which are the opposite of each other and then claim that you've been saying the same thing all along? Really? Exactly!! So, I'm kinda done with this... no matter what is said it will go in circles. It's always everybody else's problem, and not his own. Nobody else can understand him and the contradictive statements, but instead of examining that he could be contradicting himself, he claims its everybody else's poor reading comprehension. Always everybody else's fault, never their own.... step out of the box and take a look! We all have to do that as human beings! For the record, B_D, I never made false accusations or put words in your mouth. All I did was CUT AND PASTE exactly your words from a previous post. You, sir, did not cut and paste or site ANYTHING that came directly out of my mouth, but instead YOU made the ASSumptions. Had you sited something I had directly said, not only would I have not turned around and contradicted myself, but I would have stood by it since it was right there in plain text and I only post what I mean, so I am not afraid to do something like that. If you're too ashamed for me to cut and paste EXACTLY what you wrote in a previous post and call you out on it, then maybe you should reconsider what you wrote in the first place. (but of course, you won't do that because it's everybody elses problem and not your own). ::officially walking away from this thread::Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #334 May 30, 2009 QuoteYes. You want them to have the special right of going against the California state constitution and the California Supreme court to change the definition of marriage even though it has been set by Prop.8, which passed by a simple majority and has been upheld. THAT special right. There is a procedure for changing the law and I am 100% in favor of it being done. Actually, I don't think that the people who are against same-sex marriage should have had the special right to create a ballot proposition that would allow a majority vote to take away rights from a minority group. And I think that all of this will eventually end up at the SCOTUS, where the Court will hopefully strike down the states' marriage amendments as being unconstitutional. Then everyone will have the same rights regarding legal marriage (to marry another consenting adult of his/her choice), which is what I want. (Actually, it would be better if this could happen without ending up at the SCOTUS, but it doesn't seem like it will.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #335 May 30, 2009 Quote...YOU made the ASSumptions Nice little hidden PA there. It was you who made assumptions. When you saw that I did not agree with one part of the debate, you assumed (wrongfully) that I was in favor of banning same-sex marriage.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #336 May 30, 2009 The ballot was passed in accordance with all laws. Nothing special about that. I actually hope it does make it all the way to the United States Supreme Court and gets overturned. Then, hopefully, no other state would be able to do what has been done in California.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #337 May 30, 2009 QuoteThe ballot was passed in accordance with all laws. Nothing special about that. OK. And the appeals that have been made have been done in accordance with all laws. Nothing special about that. Anyhow, the "special rights" thing is just silly. No one is seeking special rights, only equal rights. QuoteI actually hope it does make it all the way to the United States Supreme Court and gets overturned. Then, hopefully, no other state would be able to do what has been done in California. I'm glad to hear that you think that. (And I'm sure you realize that most of the other states have already done what has been done in California, or at least something similar, and in some cases worse.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #338 May 31, 2009 QuoteFor one thing, assuming a couple got married in the church but didn't get the legal civil union, what happens if they split up? I'm guessing that the law might get involved at that point, especially if the couple had children. Same thing that would happen now if they weren't married at all. If you want the legal device we currently call "marriage" you get a civil union. If you're only interested in the religious ceremony, you'd get married in church. If you want both, you do both.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #339 May 31, 2009 QuoteThe ballot was passed in accordance with all laws. Nothing special about that. I actually hope it does make it all the way to the United States Supreme Court and gets overturned. Then, hopefully, no other state would be able to do what has been done in California. It cant."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #340 May 31, 2009 QuoteQuoteFor one thing, assuming a couple got married in the church but didn't get the legal civil union, what happens if they split up? I'm guessing that the law might get involved at that point, especially if the couple had children. Same thing that would happen now if they weren't married at all. If you want the legal device we currently call "marriage" you get a civil union. If you're only interested in the religious ceremony, you'd get married in church. If you want both, you do both. Yeah, I guess if they didn't have the legal civil union then it would be similar (legally) to people who currently have common law marriages. It makes no difference to me whether my relationship is considered a "marriage" or a "civil union." The terminology is probably THE least important aspect of it. I just don't see any point in the major hassle it would be to convert all of the legal marriages to civil unions. And I don't think that use of the word "marriage" is the main problem anyway (seeing as a lot of the states have also banned same-sex civil unions). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #341 June 1, 2009 Quote Actually, my position has been very firm and consistent. Dude.... you're every hot, gay marriage-hungry dude's dream. FIRM and CONSISTENT. Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #342 June 1, 2009 HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #343 June 3, 2009 Update - the RI gay marriage bill was signed by the governor in Rhode Island and will take effect Jan 1st. Once we see six states allow gay marriage, and do not note any increase in man-on-dog sex, polygamy or pedophilia in those states, we will start to deprive the more virulent anti-gay organizations of ammunition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #344 June 4, 2009 Of course! I am convinced that Prop 8 is but a temporary setback. It's gonna happen sooner or later. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #345 June 4, 2009 QuoteUpdate - the RI gay marriage bill was signed by the governor in Rhode Island and will take effect Jan 1st. Once we see six states allow gay marriage, and do not note any increase in man-on-dog sex, polygamy or pedophilia in those states, we will start to deprive the more virulent anti-gay organizations of ammunition. Did you mean Rhode Island or New Hampshire? And I'm sure you don't think that polygamy should be grouped with bestiality or pedophilia. Yeah, I know that some anti-gay folks like to group them together, but obviously polygamy can be between consenting human adults, while the other two cannot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #346 June 4, 2009 I, for one, think that polygamy should be legal. While most see problems, I see a way to keep fidelity in marriage. "Honey! You know we aren't having sex! How do you know? Jeez. I'm married to her. What more proof is necessary? Yes. I am married to her, so just like with you - no sex. Yes, she hates me, too. What? Yes. I'm married to Bruce, too. I had impure thoughts. I prayed to Jesus and it didn't help. So to make sure I didn't have sex with him I married him. So I'm not technically gay because I haven't taken a load. See? Our baby has two mommies and two daddies. I did it, I mean didn't do it, for you. I won't have sex without you, unless you consider Palmela, Handgel, and Manuela and her five sisterd cheating." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #348 June 4, 2009 QuoteUpdate - the RI gay marriage bill was signed by the governor in Rhode Island and will take effect Jan 1st. Once we see six states allow gay marriage, and do not note any increase in man-on-dog sex, polygamy or pedophilia in those states, we will start to deprive the more virulent anti-gay organizations of ammunition. I was wondering why my dog was coming on to me yesterday. All this gay rights talk has got the canines thinking. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
