livendive 8 #51 May 22, 2009 Quote The demographics of the party line is getting pretty blurred when the DEMs are all stepping over it. Perhaps the uncontrolled spending by the last administration made it tough for them to pick out. But really, there isn't much of a line left between the two parties, just a bunch of talking (yelling) points. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #52 May 22, 2009 I like your question. But I'm going to go into highly opinionated personal observations and theories on this... when one looks at conservatism from the economic standpoint, we generally think of conservatives as the classical liberals. Those who favor free markets and competition, self interest, The economic liberal, on the other hand, typically favor reegulated markets and "social justice" that is performed by wealth redistribution policies, progressive tax rates, etcm, and the Keynesian approach. Political conservatism (not in the modern neo-con authoritarian sense) has traditionally been centered on an idea of individualism. I am me, and it is up to me to to my best. I control my destiny. I am but one. (Except war, which is your duty - intense grouping with patriotism and religion) Political liberals are those who views society as king. The interests of the individuals must yield to the good of society (except war, the draft, etcm. - and an intense grouping in secular morality) Thus, a difference in conservatives and liberals is conservatism has focused on society versus the individual. So you've got it ingrained that they are outnumbered by "society." It is a natural response for an individual to feel in the minority - to believe that not everyone thinks like you. The liberal will feel more a part of society as a whole - it's how they are wired. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #53 May 22, 2009 >It is a natural response for an individual to feel in the minority - to >believe that not everyone thinks like you. Yet they also seem to feel, almost as a rule, that they are the "moderates" in the middle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #54 May 22, 2009 No matter which party is represented... they are "just here to help". After all, all those Washington pointy-heads are more intelligent than the rest of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #55 May 22, 2009 Quote Yet they also seem to feel, almost as a rule, that they are the "moderates" in the middle. That's because we have mothers who would make the John Birch look like Gus Hall. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #56 May 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteSC is funny...because honestly, the vast majority of skydivers i know IN REAL LIFE (i.e. that i jump with, or work at dropzones i frequent, etc) tend to be more liberal than conservative. duh - you live on the west coast. It's hardly suitable to treat that as representative of all skydivers. The sense that I've gotten from skydivers from NorCal to the midwest to the East Coast, is that the majority are largely apolitical or only marginally interested in politics. SC is something of a self-selecting group of folks who are interested in politics/guns/religion, who also happen to skydive. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #57 May 22, 2009 Quote I like your question. Thank you. Quote But I'm going to go into highly opinionated personal observations and theories on this... when one looks at conservatism from the economic standpoint, we generally think of conservatives as the classical liberals. Those who favor free markets and competition, self interest, It is a natural response for an individual to feel in the minority - to believe that not everyone thinks like you. The liberal will feel more a part of society as a whole - it's how they are wired. Interesting hypothesis. And there have been some preliminary results supporting the idea of ‘different wiring’ in the brains correlating with different self-identified political ideology, results of which you may have been aware and may be underlying your comments. NB: What’s not evident in the research is what the origin and directionality is the brain activity/the process: i.e., genes --> wiring (aka neural connectivity) influences perspective/political ideology *or* neural connectivity/plasticity through experience --> influences perspective/political ideology? It's like error bars or variance in the mean -- liberals had much larger error bars as far as what was considered acceptable behavior/acceptable choices, whereas as the conservatives had tighter error bars. If I was going to design a rigorous study, I would ask for folks to self-identify on a scale from 1 to 10. 1 = extremely liberal, 5 = moderate, 10 = extremely conservative. I'd also try to incorporate some questions that represent benchmarks, e.g., something lilke the questions in the 4-quadrant political ideologt test. Similarly I would ask for perception of minority to be rated from 1 = Democrats/liberals in extreme minority (/Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #58 May 22, 2009 QuoteWhy do those who are conservative-leaning perceive themselves to be in the minority by a substantive amount whereas the liberal-leaning folks are mixed in their perceptions? Good question. It almost implys that the conservative majority think that SC isn't conservative enough even though they (as the majority) presumably have the power to be as conservative as they like. My guess is the perception by some conservatives that SC has a liberal bias has more to do with the presence of liberal moderators than forum content. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #59 May 22, 2009 QuoteMy guess is the perception by some conservatives that SC has a liberal bias has more to do with the presence of liberal moderators than forum content. That's a theory, but it's more likely that the "liberal" members are just a bit more "passionate/angry/aggressive" (pick whatever spin you want) than your typical lib. so they just stand out a bit more obtrusively Edit: I think if you get into a room of 10 people, the 2 LOUD liberals, and the 2 LOUD Churchy types will shout the room down. the other 6 will just leave the room (though a couple might just hang out to egg on the first 4 because they find it funny) I really align very closely to JC's thoughts ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alge 0 #60 May 25, 2009 Quote Question: Why is the website hosting select SC results located in Norway? See http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3478725;so=ASC;sb=post_latest_reply;#3478725 QuoteBecause that is where the user known as "alge" lives. (: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
