lawmakers gave the thumbs-up to allowing loaded guns in parks.

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So? Going to give a link to what you claim was posted on his website, or was that just another made-up "fact?"

Search others posts but the FACT remains.
Maybe JR.

It has been posted on this site times before.
But I know you have the speed to look at his sites regarding this topic in, well you tell me, how many minutes?



You know, kind of like his voting record.

Cant cover that one can you.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Oooo, that post is going to leave a mark.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

>It has been posted on this site times before.

So, where is it? Or were you lying about it?

>But I know you have the speed to look at his sites regarding this topic in, well you
>tell me, how many minutes?

It only took a few minutes to discover you were fibbing!

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>It has been posted on this site times before.

So, where is it? Or were you lying about it?

>But I know you have the speed to look at his sites regarding this topic in, well you
>tell me, how many minutes?

It only took a few minutes to discover you were fibbing!

You have discovered nothing more than your agenda.

Desperation in action

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Congress has painted Obama into a corner. He can't get out of the room without stepping in wet paint.

If he signs the bill, he will be betraying his many liberal anti-gun supporters, who want him to reject guns in National Parks.

If he rejects the bill because of the gun clause, he will be revealing his true anti-gun nature, which he has been denying since he started campaigning, and reveal himself as a forked-tongue liar.

You'll be disappointed, John. This is one of the easiest problems he's faced in this spring.

He'll sign it, bemoan the fact that Congress dumped an irrelevant rider onto it, and take victory in the key reforms for the people. Some Brady types will whine, but they'll get as much attention as the PETA types get from the customers at McDonald's.

People are far more interested in the abuses from their credit card banks than they are about guns in the parks.

[billvon 3,116]

>You have discovered nothing more than your agenda.

Translation: Rush cannot back up his statement and is now just slinging mud.

I guess anything really is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

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>You have discovered nothing more than your agenda.

Translation: Rush cannot back up his statement and is now just slinging mud.

I guess anything really is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.

YEP, that the billvon (put words in anothers mouth) translation.

And just look at my sig line.

You know it has been use for a PA agains me already!

Life is good

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Honest citizens have been carrying guns into national parks for as long as the parks have been around. They have sometimes got into trouble for it.

In 1980, when I made my (legal) jump from El Capitan, I carried a concealed .45 pistol, which I gave to my fiance for her hike back down the trails after I left her and jumped off at the top. There had been two or three nasty murders in the park already that summer and I was concerned about her being able to defend herself from any two legged animals she might encounter on the hike back down (she was not alone by the way, she hiked down with a guy who was on student status at the time and had come along for the fun). Why should anyone have to go defenseless into a remote location, just because it's owned by a government that is alledgedly "of, by, and for the people" ?

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

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So, you do not believe what is posted on HIS websites?

I'm curious which websites you're referring to (honestly). I'm aware of his voting record, but other than that, I've never seen much of anything about guns on any of his websites. The current whitehouse.gov lists his agenda, and I haven't seen anything regarding guns on there. (Maybe I missed it?)

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Honest citizens have been carrying guns into national parks for as long as the parks have been around. They have sometimes got into trouble for it.

In 1980, when I made my (legal) jump from El Capitan, I carried a concealed .45 pistol, which I gave to my fiance for her hike back down the trails after I left her and jumped off at the top. There had been two or three nasty murders in the park already that summer and I was concerned about her being able to defend herself from any two legged animals she might encounter on the hike back down (she was not alone by the way, she hiked down with a guy who was on student status at the time and had come along for the fun). Why should anyone have to go defenseless into a remote location, just because it's owned by a government that is alledgedly "of, by, and for the people" ?

I'm not just worried about 2-legged animals,
(although I have been harassed by redneck hicks while cycling in the mountains).
This is a sign in a park in the mountains above Boulder.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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>It has been posted on this site times before.

So, where is it? Or were you lying about it?

>But I know you have the speed to look at his sites regarding this topic in, well you
>tell me, how many minutes?

It only took a few minutes to discover you were fibbing!

the agenda section of change.gov was quickly modified after he was elected so as to be more moderate
a mirror of the site is available here
http://www.mega.nu/ampp/obama_agenda/urbanpolicy.html
I suppose it could be an elaborate mock-up, but I saw the page listed on change.gov before they changed it. No I can't prove that any more than I could point at this page as a mirror of the site I saw.

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Rob

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So, you do not believe what is posted on HIS websites?

I'm curious which websites you're referring to (honestly). I'm aware of his voting record, but other than that, I've never seen much of anything about guns on any of his websites. The current whitehouse.gov lists his agenda, and I haven't seen anything regarding guns on there. (Maybe I missed it?)

His current official website "had" a section on gun laws about 2 months ago. I have not looked lately (so the reason for the "had") but I dont need to go back. Add that to his record of votes on gun laws and his current track record of change and truth I do not feel the need to go back. A link was posted here after he was elected. I cant remembe by who but it is here.

Marc

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Just passed the House, as well...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Shotgun 1]

Is this what you're referring to? (Taken from rhaig's link.)

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Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

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Inacurate but fast

Inaccurate.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[rhaig 0]

that's the offending section

worded very nicely isn't it...

google HR45 it's in committee, and will hopefully die there. It proposes a federal license be required for firearm ownership. All that does is require hoops to be jumped through before a citizen (as opposed to a criminal) can buy a weapon. oh yeah, and it makes a list of gun owners. But why worry about that. No modern nation would use a list of owners to enact any confiscation programs right?

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Rob

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that's the offending section

worded very nicely isn't it...

google HR45 it's in committee, and will hopefully die there.

Sounds like something that will die there. And I don't really see anything in the section I quoted to indicate that Obama would support this particular bill.

And personally, I'm not completely opposed to the idea of licensing. But from what I've read, I wouldn't support this particular bill, though I might support something that was less intrusive.

As for the bill that this thread was started about, I think Obama will probably sign it, and I think it's a good thing. (But I think it's ridiculous that it was attached to the credit card bill.)

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The FIRST change would be term limits for Congress - twice around the merry-go-round, then go home.

I disagree. There are already too many politicians who are too afraid to do the right thing because in the short term it's not popular to the mob. If the only thing that matters is two election cycles then we'll have a bunch of rookies doing nothing but making short term gain election promises.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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The FIRST change would be term limits for Congress - twice around the merry-go-round, then go home.

I disagree. There are already too many politicians who are too afraid to do the right thing because in the short term it's not popular to the mob. If the only thing that matters is two election cycles then we'll have a bunch of rookies doing nothing but making short term gain election promises.

I agree with the term limits but realize the dilemma ...

PS: I think many of the current politicians are already doing nothing but making short term gain election promises.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Sounds like something that will die there. And I don't really see anything in the section I quoted to indicate that Obama would support this particular bill.

And personally, I'm not completely opposed to the idea of licensing. But from what I've read, I wouldn't support this particular bill, though I might support something that was less intrusive.

As for the bill that this thread was started about, I think Obama will probably sign it, and I think it's a good thing. (But I think it's ridiculous that it was attached to the credit card bill.)

licensing has often been batted about as the method to close the gunshow loophole, and keep guns our of the hands of criminals. Hell, with the right exclusions from ability to buy with this license they wouldn't even need the AWB to be permanent.

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Rob

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Inacurate but fast

Inaccurate.

Another post verifying my sig line!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Congress has painted Obama into a corner. He can't get out of the room without stepping in wet paint. If he signs the bill, he will be betraying his many liberal anti-gun supporters, who want him to reject guns in National Parks. If he rejects the bill because of the gun clause, he will be revealing his true anti-gun nature, which he has been denying since he started campaigning, and reveal himself as a forked-tongue liar.

News:

Democrats in power hand victories to NRA

President Obama and his allies in Congress have given the gun lobby a string of victories - from forgoing new gun laws to easing restrictions already on the books - since Mr. Obama took office and Democrats assumed complete command of political power in Washington.

Democratic leaders in Congress tend to support more restrictive gun laws but have yielded on the issue since a majority of their rank-and-file members increasingly side with the National Rifle Association (NRA) when votes involve the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

Gun-control groups blame the Obama White House for the setbacks, saying the administration kept mum on firearms issues even when shooting incidents killed six at a North Carolina nursing home in March and left 13 dead at an upstate New York immigration center in April.

"I'm disappointed that they didn't use some leadership after the shootings in March and April to at least talk about the need to deal with this," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "They just don't want to talk about it right now," he said.

The NRA gained a major victory when Mr. Obama backed off from a push to reinstate a ban on assault weapons, even as top Democrats and administration officials, including Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, endorsed the ban.

On Friday, Mr. Obama signed a bill with a provision lifting the prohibition on bringing loaded firearms into national parks and wildlife refuges...

Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/26/democrats-in-power-hand-victories-to-nra/?page=2

The Brady Bunch previously had this to say on their web site:

"The country needs President Obama to show leadership and demand a clean bill that will not force loaded guns into our national parks and bypass a Federal court ruling and an environmental review. Families should not have to stare down loaded AK-47s on nature hikes,” Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke said.

Since Obama signed the Bill, they are silent... They must be off throwing a tantrum in private.

The official White House press release on the signing of the Bill can be seen here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/A-New-Era-for-Credit-Cards/

There's no mention of the gun provision there either. They must also be off throwing a hissy-fit in private. Oh, and get a kick out of that photo that makes Obama look like a midget.

They've all been snookered by the NRA.

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This is a sign in a park in the mountains above Boulder.

So what's the irony? You could obviously go cycle somewhere else.

Cycling in mountain lion territory isn't the brightest thing to be doing. Activates their chase instinct. Its why you are generally advised not to run when confronted with one.

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This is a sign in a park in the mountains above Boulder.

So what's the irony? You could obviously go cycle somewhere else.

That wasn't about the cycling.

It's the juxtaposition of the two signs. The first notifies people that there are dangerous wild animals around. The second notifies people that they are not permitted to carry an appropriate tool for defending themselves from those wild animals.

The animals are going to be dangerous whether you're on a bicycle or not.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[SkyDekker 1,465]

So don't go there. Or if you would like to observe the animals in their wild habitat, don't do it in the form of an activity that will make the animal more likely to attack you.

Pretty arrogant really.