Parents Kill Baby with Voodoo.....

[dmkellett 0]

In sunny Sydney, a pair of lunatics just went on trial for manslaughter of their young baby girl who contracted severe eczema after a few months of life, the parents ignored Dr's and Nurses advice to take the kid to a skin specialist, instead choosing HOMEOPATHY !

The father is a college lecturer in Homeopathy. He consulted Naturopaths and various other Quacks . The girl died a very painful death. I hope these 2 are made an example of, when are we going to wake up to all these SCAMS in " Alternative" medicine???

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Homeopathy-Parents-Charged-Over-Baby-Daughter-Glorias-Death-In-Australia/Article/200905115276109?f=rss

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[jclalor 12]

Adults that want to try that stupid shit to them selves is fine, let them pay the price. Parents doing this to their kids should be strung up.


This is a great site dedicated to fighting this type of thing.

http://www.quackwatch.com/

[Butters 0]

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... when are we going to wake up to all these SCAMS in " Alternative" medicine???

When the placebo effect no longer works.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[kbordson 8]

The real underlying theme on this thread should be about parental rights and how paternalistic should physicians be?

We can argue about beliefs on holistic medicine and allopathic medicine all day. With the caveat that BOTH are wrong. 100 years from now, we will look back on "current" practice with a very different eye - just as we look at the practices in the 1800's and early 1900's.

But... the true debate here is how much right does the parent have over the health and well being of the child? Not just in this situation, but what about those that refuse blood products? Do parents need to give consent - or do the doctors just do what he/she thinks is best?

[rehmwa 2]

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I hope these 2 are made an example of,

1 - these parents are dispicable.

2 - "made an example of" - I think that's a horrible idea to give an unreasonable punishment based on this justification - seems to be in conflict with 'equal protection under the law". I hate the whole idea of judges giving disproportionate punishment to 'make a point'.

3 - I do think the punishment should be severe and standardized and should be applied equally to anyone that abuses their kids this way.

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[riddler 0]

Idle question. If the parents had taken the girl to a western medical skin specialist, followed the prescribed treatment, and she still died of eczema, how would you classify the death (I assume, not Voodoo)?

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[dmkellett 0]

FACT. Homeopathy is BS. best way to see things is can you get a given treatment in a modern western teaching hospital?? If answer is no, then chances are the proposed treatment DOES NOT WORK.

This is why when you present at a back specialist in a hospital they DO NOT suggest Chiropractic, Homeopathy, accupuncture, etc etc etc. they do suggest physiotherapy, which in essence is what many Chiropractors are doing ( only unlicenced)

To answer your question, I would have called it a death from a disease. however it is well established that this girl WOULD HAVE SURVIVED had her parents nbot believed in this total voodoo rubbish, and taken her to a REAL Dr. cant you see this? Do you believe in Homeopathy? are you aware that there is not a single molecule of the proposed treatment in the water? it somehow has a "memory...." HA HA HA QUACK

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[Shotgun 1]

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The real underlying theme on this thread should be about parental rights and how paternalistic should physicians be?

Definitely. This is similar to the case of the boy whose parents don't want him receiving chemo:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090520/ap_on_re_us/us_forced_chemo;_ylt=Ar19CbAVg2YHUU.YMcJxNo2s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJoOWFqYTI3BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwNTIwL3VzX2ZvcmNlZF9jaGVtbwRjcG9zAzgEcG9zAzE1BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA2FycmVzdG9yZGVyZQ--

I must say that I feel fortunate to live in a time when modern medicine is as good as it is, but it definitely has its limitations. As adults, we certainly should not be required to take the advice of doctors when it comes to our own health, but what rights do parents have when it comes to their children? That's a tough question, and I don't know the answer.

[riddler 0]

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FACT. Homeopathy is BS.

And what is the basis of your fact? I'm not disagreeing with you, but I disagree with your assertion of your own opinion as fact. Homeopathy has a broad and varying definition - what parts are you calling BS?

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This is why when you present at a back specialist in a hospital they DO NOT suggest Chiropractic, Homeopathy, accupuncture, etc etc etc. they do suggest physiotherapy, which in essence is what many Chiropractors are doing ( only unlicenced)

I'm convinced that what hospitals recommend has more to do with making money and reducing their own liability, than what actually works. Many U.S. insurance companies now accept and pay for chiropractic treatment, not because anyone's proved that chiropractic "works", but because it's cheaper than the alternatives.

Western medicine doesn't hold much more advantage than other medicines as a whole - most medicinal practices rely on the human body to recover by itself, with the focus on resolving symptoms, not curing the disease. But like religions, medical dogmas and evangelists will continue to tout their cure as the only real cure, and everyone else as snake-oil salesmen.

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[Skyrad 0]

What makes me angry is that the NHS actually funds 'Homeopathy hospitals'. As there is no scientific proof that it works then surly its time to consign homeopathy to private practice. It does have a place though for people who simply need a good chat and unburnden themselves to someone, GP's used to do this but are now to busy. However if someone really is sick Homeopathy will not make them better. My sister in law is a homeopath, she is very well meaning and actually believe the nonsense she practices but you wouldn't believe the stuff she comes out with.

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[Skyrad 0]

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FACT. Homeopathy is BS. best way to see things is can you get a given treatment in a modern western teaching hospital?? If answer is no, then chances are the proposed treatment DOES NOT WORK.
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That depends on the hospital... Here is one that YOU PERSONALLY are paying for...

http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/Our+hospitals/Royal+London+Homoeopathic+Hospital.htm

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[dmkellett 0]

Which parts am I calling BS ??? - ALL OF IT. there is no active consituent molecules in the remedies, they are infact water. water cures dehydration. I'll give you that one... but homeopathy is BS. and yes western med DOES have an advantage over other MEd's...... it is based on 2 things all others are lacking :

1. EVIDENCE
2. SCIENCE

call me old fashioned but these 2 things are on my must have list of a treatment prior to letting someone treat me.

[riddler 0]

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Which parts am I calling BS ??? - ALL OF IT.

Just so I am clear, what do you define as homeopathy? There is a very strict definition, involving diluted preparations of herbs and plants. But then, I thought you already included chiropractic in the same genre? Or was I wrong about that?

It sounds like you champion western medicine, and there's nothing wrong with that, IMO. But are you also labelling chiropractic, acupuncture, and all other non-western medicines as homeopathy?

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[jakee 1,648]

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What makes me angry is that the NHS actually funds 'Homeopathy hospitals'.

We can thank the blithering idiot Prince Radar Ears Charlie for championing that cause. Oh how wonderful it'll be when he's King, and using all that extra political clout to push through more of his favourite loony tune schemes.

All I can hope is that he'll be the straw that finally pushes the country towards abolition.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[dmkellett 0]

Jakee - could not have said it better myself. he is a looney!

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