Pelosi's in some deep doo doo

[MikeForsythe 0]

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Because we are a signatory to a treaty that says you can't do it to ANYBODY.

You might want to read what you submit as evidence as that specific document states that the United Sates of America is one of the countries that have neither signed or ratified it.

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Well, let's see . . . up until January 20th of this year, the guys that started the fires were still lighting more fires.

So what is your and his excuse for the last four months? Your case gets weaker with every post.

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

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I NEVER said that. For the 6th (or thereabouts) time today . . . prosecute them ALL.

I don't think Pelosi should be prosecuted. I don't think that she commited a crime. All she did was lie to the public for political gain - much like an Anti-Gay evangelist who suddenly remembers sucking a dick 6 or 7 years ago. "He did not appropriately warn me that it was his penis in my mouth. And because he never ejaculated, how was I to know it was a homosexual act. It wasn't until 2003 that I was told it was a penis that I'm sucking. But it's that guy who I sucked off who is the reall sinner."

He committed no crime but he should be susceptible to criticism as a hypocrite.

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Great, the page was an old one from 1997. It wasn't meant to show our signature, but rather the text of the agreement to which we most certainly ARE a signatory.

If you had simply clicked on the link provided from within that document, you would have seen that.

We signed on April 18, 1988 and ratified on October 21, 1994;
http://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=IV-9&chapter=4&lang=en

Further, we did so without ANY reservations;
http://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=IV-9&chapter=4&lang=en#12

Lastly, we have a seat on the committee itself;
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cat/members.htm

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So what is your and his excuse for the last four months? Your case gets weaker with every post.

It usually takes longer to unfuck yourself, than to initially fuck yourself.

Now, go . . .

. . . have a wonderful evening.

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[MikeForsythe 0]

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If youI had simply stated to click on the link provided from within that document, you would have seen that.

There, corrected it for you.

I am still waiting for your support as to what constitutes a war crime. The document that you provided does not provide for criminal prosecution.

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It usually takes longer to unfuck yourself, than to initially fuck yourself.

Tell me that is not the defense that you are trying to justify it with.

Come to Florida and have a few Rum Runners

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

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Come to Florida and have a few Rum Runners

Dude! You be provin' ma point! Ya can drink a Rum Runner in moments, but the effects gonna last a while.

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If you take Pelosi's knowledge of torture completely out of context, it doesn't make sense. For anyone to criticize her about knowing about torture, you have to establish it was torture.

Actually, the whole question distills down to one persons definition. Pelosi's. She has established that she thinks it is.

She has said two things.
1- waterboarding is torture.
2- she didn't know it was going on.

Did she know that torture, by her definition, was occurring?
That is what she stated. True or not?

[quade 4]

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Actually, the whole question distills down to one persons definition. Pelosi's.

Not really. What matters is the standard recognized in international treatises and laws.

Pelosi can call it by any one of a bajillion things and it wouldn't matter one bit. A rose by any other name and all that.

If she knew about it, she's culpable. Then again, so are a HUGE number of people in the 43rd Administration.

Prosecute them ALL to the fullest extent of the law.

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Paul - why is bringing up Bush and Cheney on war crimes charges a condition precedent to criticism of anyone else?

Probably for the same reason it's nearly impossible to talk about Kennedy Assassination and the possibility of others being involved in a conspiracy without mentioning Oswald.

If you take Pelosi's knowledge of torture completely out of context, it doesn't make sense. For anyone to criticize her about knowing about torture, you have to establish it was torture. If you admit it's torture, then you really have to pursue the bigger question about Bush and Cheney involvement in a war crime.

It's pretty f'in' simple logic.

You can't have an accomplice to a crime without a crime being committed in the first place. If the crime is committed, the bigger issue isn't the accomplice, but the criminals involved.

Except for the fact that she has now stated another department commited a crime, you are correct.

.......other than her duplicitus dumb bitch radical agenda of course

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Prosecute them ALL to the fullest extent of the law.

On what grounds should they realistically be prosecuted on? I know you think they should be hanged for war crimes but the government has said no crimes were committed and noone will be charged. So, realistically, what do you want them charged with that will actually stick?

I don't think Pelosi should go to jail. I think she just got caught trying to play high and mighty. Now she's following the standard, It Wasn't Me.

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[MikeForsythe 0]

To me THIS pretty much sums it all up.

Oh, her latest approval ratings are down to 39% and still falling like a rock. I think she is trying to beat Gingrich's 25%.

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

[quade 4]

WTF, did he study poetry from Vogons or what?

I mean, I guess it's supposed to be a sonnet, but he fucked up the rhyming structure and meter. I... I just don't know how a person DOES that!

Lemme just say that there are a couple of things the Republicans shouldn't try to do to "get" Democrats;

1) Poetry. No, no, no. Democrats pretty much have owned that since Kennedy had Robert Frost at his inauguration. They call it a liberal arts degree for a reason.
2) Twitter. Really?

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[MikeForsythe 0]

Thanks for giving it credibility

Oh, keep those numbers dropping.

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

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Well, I can't really attack it on it's "factual" information even though there are factual errors. I assume the response would be that it's simply "poetic license" although I think it's pushing the definition of "poetic" and the license might need to be revoked.

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[futuredivot 0]

After the Dems finish socializing the auto industry. I think Pelosi would do a hell of a job installing the reverse gears

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[billvon 3,099]

>Oh, her latest approval ratings are down to 39% and still falling like a
>rock. I think she is trying to beat Gingrich's 25%.

Well, she has a long way to fall until she hits the record set by house minority leader John Boehner (13%.) But I have faith in her ability to screw the pooch.

[MikeForsythe 0]

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But I have faith in her ability to screw the pooch.

ROTFLMAO Well Bill, politicians have to have goals too. I think both parties are fighting for first place!

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

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WASHINGTON -- House Democrats on Thursday defeated a Republican push to investigate House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's claims that the CIA misled her in 2002 about whether waterboarding had been used against terrorism suspects.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/21/house-gop-demand-probe-pelosi-cia-claims/

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[billvon 3,099]

>but it's not Panetta's credibility against hers, it the credibility of the people
>who wrote the reports against hers . . .

Yep, and it's the credibility of the organization responsible for these gems:

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In 2001, a plane carrying Baptist missionaries from Michigan was shot down in Peru as part of a drug interdiction program run by the CIA and Peruvian officials. The victims' cause was taken up by Republican lawmakers, and an ensuing internal CIA investigation "concluded that agency officials deliberately misled Congress, the White House and federal prosecutors" about the incident.
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The Washington Post reported in 2006 that Mary McCarthy, the CIA's former deputy inspector general, believed the CIA was lying about its interrogation practices when it briefed lawmakers. As the Post reported (5/14/06), McCarthy "became convinced that on multiple occasions the agency had not given accurate or complete information to its congressional overseers."
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Tim Weiner recalled several examples, including former CIA director Richard Helms telling the Senate in 1973 that the CIA had no involvement in that year's coup in Chile, a lie that led to Helms pleading guilty to perjury in 1977.
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Not to say that that proves they're lying about this as well, of course. But when an organization has a history of lying to Congress, it's probably best to take their claims with a grain of salt - especially when even the GOP determined that they've deliberately misled Congress.

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I NEVER said that. For the 6th (or thereabouts) time today . . . prosecute them ALL.

I don't think Pelosi should be prosecuted. I don't think that she commited a crime. All she did was lie to the public for political gain - much like an Anti-Gay evangelist who suddenly remembers sucking a dick 6 or 7 years ago. "He did not appropriately warn me that it was his penis in my mouth. And because he never ejaculated, how was I to know it was a homosexual act. It wasn't until 2003 that I was told it was a penis that I'm sucking. But it's that guy who I sucked off who is the reall sinner."

He committed no crime but he should be susceptible to criticism as a hypocrite.

Rep. Peter Hoekstra, the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee who is running for governor in Michigan, in November said of the CIA: "We cannot have a community that operates outside the law and covers up what it does and lies to Congress."

On Dec. 11, 2007, "so professionally unworthy, so intellectually indefensible and so fundamentally misleading that it is damaging to our national security." Gingrich of the CIA.


So who's lying?

[MikeForsythe 0]

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So who's lying?

Don't know and the Democrats are trying to block any investigation. Like Paul said, investigate them all and let the chips fall where they may.

Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is!

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I think it's funny that the same group that had no problem outing valerie Plame as a covert CIA operative, and ruin her career now say how dare Pelosi besmirch the good people at the CIA.
I am not defending Pelosi, but I would think outing a covert agent during wartime would get you shot. So when Cheney bitches about Pelosi he is a big hypocrite.

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So when Cheney bitches about Pelosi he is a big hypocrite.

Then again, traitors and war criminals usually don't care a whole lot about hypocrisy.

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[mnealtx 0]

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I think it's funny that the same group that had no problem outing valerie Plame as a covert CIA operative, and ruin her career now say how dare Pelosi besmirch the good people at the CIA.

Which person would that be, perchance? Plame's husband who used to introduce her around the DC cocktail set as his "CIA wife", or Armitage, who actually told the press?

Mike
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[TankBuster 0]

And here's the latest. At a news conference this morning.

"I have made the statement that I'm going to make on this. I don't have any more to say on this. I stand by my comments. And what we are doing is staying on our course and not being distracted from it."

Sounds a bit like Forrest Gump.

The forecast is mostly sunny with occasional beer.

[jclalor 12]

Was it not Scooter Libby, Cheney's COS who was convicted of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements to a grand jury? Golly gee, wonder who he was protecring? I was real glad to see no pardon for Scooter, best move W ever made.

According to testimony, Valerie was a covert agent at the time of Novac's article, regardless of what the drones at fox news were saying.

Even using your logic, if someone reveals classified information it is then ok for you to do the same? That is not how the game works. Every one knows old Dick was pissed that Joe wilson was not parrotting the bush line on Niger uranium.