happythoughts 0 #1 May 15, 2009 Yahoo news QuoteThu May 14, 6:54 am ET WASHINGTON (AFP) – As part of its plans to close Guantanamo Bay, the Obama administration is considering holding some of the detainees indefinitely and without trial on US soil, US media reported Thursday. President Barack Obama's "administration is weighing plans to detain some terror suspects on US soil -- indefinitely and without trial -- as part of a plan to retool military commission trials that were conducted for prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay," The Wall Street Journal said. Ok... yes, everyone realizes the danger. So, once again, what was the point of closing Gitmo? Why do they want to bring them to the US and warehouse them forever? If they escape in Cuba, that seems like less of a problem. Also, the Marines are guarding them there. Plus, if they are kept in the US, what about the other issues? Information exchange with other prisoners? Discussions with lawyers are priviledged communications. Wanna bet that there are Jihadist lawyers? Planning done from inside our borders. He has consistently been against the Bush policy of military courts. What is the Obama alternative when dealing with secret documents and testimony? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #2 May 15, 2009 Quote Yahoo news Quote Thu May 14, 6:54 am ET WASHINGTON (AFP) – As part of its plans to close Guantanamo Bay, the Obama administration is considering holding some of the detainees indefinitely and without trial on US soil, US media reported Thursday. President Barack Obama's "administration is weighing plans to detain some terror suspects on US soil -- indefinitely and without trial -- as part of a plan to retool military commission trials that were conducted for prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay," The Wall Street Journal said. Ok... yes, everyone realizes the danger. So, once again, what was the point of closing Gitmo? Why do they want to bring them to the US and warehouse them forever? If they escape in Cuba, that seems like less of a problem. Also, the Marines are guarding them there. Plus, if they are kept in the US, what about the other issues? Information exchange with other prisoners? Discussions with lawyers are priviledged communications. Wanna bet that there are Jihadist lawyers? Planning done from inside our borders. He has consistently been against the Bush policy of military courts. What is the Obama alternative when dealing with secret documents and testimony? He made promises on the campaign trail that are unsafe and unrealistic. In order to save face he's trying to compromise. Close Gitmo but keep holding them without trial on American soil. Brilliant. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 May 15, 2009 NO Priceless!Oh wait, maybe you were right...... Briliant! "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #4 May 15, 2009 QuoteHe made promises on the campaign trail that are unsafe and unrealistic. In order to save face he's trying to compromise. Close Gitmo but keep holding them without trial on American soil. Brilliant. Originally, he had an objection to a couple of things. One, the unlimited detention without trial or release by Bush. Two, the use of military commissions by Bush. This change from the campaign rhetoric was defined back in January when he issued his original directives regarding Gitmo. Among them was the division of the detainees into 3 categories. Category two is detainees with war crimes that will be tried by military law. AG Holder has given his support to this idea (by including a nebulous and meaningless disclaimer). The third category is made up of people who will never stand trial and never be released. Why not leave them in the custody of the Marines? clicky QuoteCategory three is made up of detainees who can't be released and can't be tried. The thought is to create a panel, which could turn into a national security court, to handle these future highest-value detainees to determine prospective policy since terrorists like Al Qaeda chief Usama bin Laden will continue to be caught. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #5 May 15, 2009 Quote NO Priceless!Oh wait, maybe you were right...... Briliant! If you google "Obama" and "Military Commissions", you will get a million hits. Obama was adamant (in his campaign) about his opposition to them. With the revised strategy, he will not use them where the normal court system works (category 1). He will use them for category 2 and 3 prisoners. (Even though the courts for cat 3 seem suspiciously similar to a definition of "secret courts".) So, what we have is the Bush system, only in the US and not Gitmo. Not an improvement. However, I do applaud the new transparency. From Jan to May, he has announced his new intentions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #6 May 15, 2009 Quote From Jan to May, he has announced his new intentions. Several different times on several different issues in several different directions. I hope he's not messing up the Oval Office walls with all the pin the tail on the donkey. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #7 May 15, 2009 Send them all to a barge off of Diego Garcia. Then we need no guards, just anchor it 200 miles off shore Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #8 May 15, 2009 Quote Yahoo news Quote Thu May 14, 6:54 am ET WASHINGTON (AFP) – As part of its plans to close Guantanamo Bay, the Obama administration is considering holding some of the detainees indefinitely and without trial on US soil, US media reported Thursday. President Barack Obama's "administration is weighing plans to detain some terror suspects on US soil -- indefinitely and without trial -- as part of a plan to retool military commission trials that were conducted for prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay," The Wall Street Journal said. Ok... yes, everyone realizes the danger. So, once again, what was the point of closing Gitmo? Why do they want to bring them to the US and warehouse them forever? If they escape in Cuba, that seems like less of a problem. Also, the Marines are guarding them there. Plus, if they are kept in the US, what about the other issues? Information exchange with other prisoners? Discussions with lawyers are priviledged communications. Wanna bet that there are Jihadist lawyers? Planning done from inside our borders. He has consistently been against the Bush policy of military courts. What is the Obama alternative when dealing with secret documents and testimony? Quote Did I just see the almighty Obama cave again? weak President, looking more like Carter every day in these areas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #9 May 15, 2009 Gosh, what a great idea...hold terror suspects indefinitely! Why didn't Bush/Cheney ever think of this? Guess they just as smart as the Obamessiah."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #10 May 15, 2009 Quote Gosh, what a great idea...hold terror suspects indefinitely! Why didn't Bush/Cheney ever think of this? Guess they just as smart as the Obamessiah. Obama restarts military tribunals today Quote WASHINGTON (CNN) -- In a move chided by liberals and hailed by conservatives, President Obama on Friday resumed the Bush administration's controversial military trial system for some Guantanamo Bay detainees, but expanded rights for those defendants. He may turn out to be one of the best REP presidents. Quote "Military commissions have a long tradition in the United States," Obama said in a statement released by the White House. "They are appropriate for trying enemies who violate the laws of war, provided that they are properly structured and administered." "provided that they are properly structured and administered" ...this is what we call spin. The spin to make the back-pedaling ok. He is going to trip if he back-pedals and spins at the same time. McCain offered some support, but the ACLU was furious... about this too. Quote The Bush administration established the military trial system after the U.S. military began capturing detainees in Afghanistan in late 2001. Of course Bush established it. Detainees were a new concept. During the Pres BJ admin, no one was ever detained except for wearing a skirt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #11 May 16, 2009 Honestly, I thought it was a bad idea under George Obushma, and I think it's a bad idea under Barack Obushma, too. Again, change we can believe in turns out to look a lot like business as usual.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
