What a profound short little paragraph that says it all.

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Please point out in the bible where Jesus preached about the lazy poor people and to fight against higher taxes.

Please show me in the bible where it specifically advocates a prefrence of helping those who can help themselves.

Please show me where in the bibble where its writters emphasised social welfare over personal responsibility.

There is a huge difference between helping those that are in need, that are helpless, who need defense... and the way things are administered in this country.

There is a huge difference between offereing a hand up, which in my opinion is one of the concepts that Jesus stood for, and a system that promotes full dependence on government support.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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[LongWayToFall 0]

Teach a man to fish, answers about all of your questions. Obviously Jesus didn't advocate socialism. He did however, not look down on the poor or sick, and helped them help themselves.

[billvon 3,107]

>Please show me where in the bibble where its writters emphasised social
>welfare over personal responsibility.

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Acts 2:40-48 (New King James Version)

And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.
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Acts 4:34-4:35 (New King James Version)

Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.
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Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
II Corinthians 9:7

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6 Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. 7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work. 9 As it is written: "He has scattered abroad his gifts to the poor; his righteousness endures forever."

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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>Please show me where in the bibble where its writters emphasised social
>welfare over personal responsibility.

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Acts 2:40-48 (New King James Version)

And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.” Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. Then fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need.
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Acts 4:34-4:35 (New King James Version)

Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.
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They willingly sold their things and distributed to those in need. Quite different from the government confiscating and redistributing to those who gave no effort.

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Please point out in the bible where Jesus preached about the lazy poor people and to fight against higher taxes.

Please show me in the bible where it specifically advocates a prefrence of helping those who can help themselves.

Please show me where in the bibble where its writters emphasised social welfare over personal responsibility.

There is a huge difference between helping those that are in need, that are helpless, who need defense... and the way things are administered in this country.

There is a huge difference between offereing a hand up, which in my opinion is one of the concepts that Jesus stood for, and a system that promotes full dependence on government support.

Well said.

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So do you not believe in social responsibility? Do you not believe that the strong should protect the weak? Do you really believe that all people are born equal?
I pay more taxes than people who are less well off, makes sense. I have had a better education I have a better job, a better standard of living. I can afford private health insurance but never forget those who can't. I struggled to get to where I am in life but don't dispise those in my society who either were not able to or didn't have the strength to. With privilage comes responsibility.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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So do you not believe in social responsibility? Do you not believe that the strong should protect the weak? Do you really believe that all people are born equal?
I pay more taxes than people who are less well off, makes sense. I have had a better education I have a better job, a better standard of living. I can afford private health insurance but never forget those who can't. I struggled to get to where I am in life but don't dispise those in my society who either were not able to or didn't have the strength to. With privilage comes responsibility.

How the hell you come to these conclusions would give most people a migrain..

Try again

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Skyrad 0]

Remember what '? ' means? I asked you questions I didn't make assumptions.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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So do you not believe in social responsibility? Do you not believe that the strong should protect the weak? Do you really believe that all people are born equal?
I pay more taxes than people who are less well off, makes sense. I have had a better education I have a better job, a better standard of living. I can afford private health insurance but never forget those who can't. I struggled to get to where I am in life but don't dispise those in my society who either were not able to or didn't have the strength to. With privilage comes responsibility.

I agree. The real world is black and white!!! You totally nailed it.

You either do well for yourself, or you are a have not in need of help. You are either strong, or you are weak and in need of help.

I like this binary reality shit! Oh and I totally despise the mentally disabled, poor peoples kids, and stray dogs.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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Remember what '? ' means? I asked you questions I didn't make assumptions.

You can put words in other people mouths. Me? I ignore bull shit like that post.

Of course I want the poor to starve, ignore the homeless, I want my kids and grand kids to die from polution, I want to kill all I can in any kind of war that can be drempt up and I think all democrates are evil socialist bastards that should be run out of the country on a rail.

Hows that!

Now, If you really want to ask a question, do so with out the screwed up premises you posted originally.

Are you a poll taker for the libs? If not, you might want to think about it as asking those kinds of questions get predictable answers (in most cased)

WFJ......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Skyrad 0]

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So do you not believe in social responsibility? Do you not believe that the strong should protect the weak? Do you really believe that all people are born equal?
I pay more taxes than people who are less well off, makes sense. I have had a better education I have a better job, a better standard of living. I can afford private health insurance but never forget those who can't. I struggled to get to where I am in life but don't dispise those in my society who either were not able to or didn't have the strength to. With privilage comes responsibility.

I agree. The real world is black and white!!! You totally nailed it.

You either do well for yourself, or you are a have not in need of help. You are either strong, or you are weak and in need of help.

I like this binary reality shit! Oh and I totally despise the mentally disabled, poor peoples kids, and stray dogs.

i'm gald you like it, seeing as you made it up. its a sliding scale, those who make more contribute more. Not all that difficult to grasp if you try.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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It would be easy to sit here and counter post a sarcastic reply. But I'm not going to i'd rather know what your thoughts on the mater you posted on are.

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"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom.

Freedom is a word bandied around by Americans all the time, but freedom? Freedom from what? Taxes? The above is simply confusing freedom with money.

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What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

Thats how democratic societies work, we all give our taxes, they get spent on things we never even see (roads in places we'll never visit, hospitals we'll never use, public transport we'll never use, social welfare we may never claim. But surely that is fair, as one may have money today but what happens if you loose you're job, your health (Insurance only stretchs so far) all your belongings? Then you get to claim that which you have been contributing to.

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The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

Obviously, thats how tax works. However it assumes that the recipient never paid anything in in the first place.

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When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.

Load of crap. So the fear is that approximatly 130,000,000 Americans will be bludging off the other 130,000,000? This is nothing more than fear mongering. What kind of an opinion must one have of the enemployed to assume such a thing? This would be the case if half of the population made nothing, contributed nothing and were happy to take without contributing. If that is the case then your society is fucked way before this scenario comes to fruition.

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You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."

No but you can create wealth via speculation and investment.

The quote in the OP is nothing more than a poorly disguised road sign to the path of facisim.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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The quote in the OP is nothing more than a poorly disguised road sign to the path of facisim.

Your comment spurred a mental exercise … can the quote mean/suggest/imply the inverse of what the speaker likely intended?

Just my changing cues, i.e., what I inserted in blue, one can read it as a Workers of the World Unite anthem, which is I doubt what Rev Rogers intended.

“You cannot legislate the poor (proletariat) into freedom by legislating the wealthy (bourgeoisie) out of freedom. What one person (in the bourgeoisie) receives without working for, another person (in the proletariat) must work for without receiving. The government (of the bourgeoisie) cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else (in the proletariat). When half of the people (those in the bourgeoisie) get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half (those in the proletariat) is going to take care of them, and when the other half (in the proletariat) gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.” Revolution!

/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

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Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[billvon 3,107]

>They willingly sold their things and distributed to those in need.

Well, they gave them to the people in charge (the apostles) and the apostles divvied them up, each according to their need.

>Quite different from the government confiscating and redistributing to those
>who gave no effort.

The Bible is pretty clear about your obligation to give to those who have nothing, however they came to be in that state. Indeed, "being rich" is pretty much universally a bad thing in the Bible. Heck, the New Testament is even crystal clear when it comes to paying taxes - "give to Caesar what is Caesar's.

Of course, basing an economic system on the Bible isn't the best idea, either.

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I guess there would be many other things you have trouble understanding too.

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I guess there would be many other things you have trouble understanding too.

Perhaps you overlooked these verses when responding to people who have opinions that differ with yours. As a good Christian I am sure you will now treat people in a much more Christ like way. Afterall, you would not want to be a hypocrite would you?

From Corinthians:

4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice.

4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

[billvon 3,107]

>Eye for an eye?

That's Exodus, and came well before Christ.

Another good one from Exodus:

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And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. . . .If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money.
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I don't take the morality in Exodus (or Leviticus) very seriously.

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The quote in the OP is nothing more than a poorly disguised road sign to the path of facisim.

Your comment spurred a mental exercise … can the quote mean/suggest/imply the inverse of what the speaker likely intended?

Just my changing cues, i.e., what I inserted in blue, one can read it as a Workers of the World Unite anthem, which is I doubt what Rev Rogers intended.

“You cannot legislate the poor (proletariat) into freedom by legislating the wealthy (bourgeoisie) out of freedom. What one person (in the bourgeoisie) receives without working for, another person (in the proletariat) must work for without receiving. The government (of the bourgeoisie) cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else (in the proletariat). When half of the people (those in the bourgeoisie) get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half (those in the proletariat) is going to take care of them, and when the other half (in the proletariat) gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation.” Revolution!

/Marg

i like that, very good Marg.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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Remember what '? ' means? I asked you questions I didn't make assumptions.

You can put words in other people mouths. Me? I ignore bull shit like that post.

Of course I want the poor to starve, ignore the homeless, I want my kids and grand kids to die from polution, I want to kill all I can in any kind of war that can be drempt up and I think all democrates are evil socialist bastards that should be run out of the country on a rail.

Hows that!

Now, If you really want to ask a question, do so with out the screwed up premises you posted originally.

Are you a poll taker for the libs? If not, you might want to think about it as asking those kinds of questions get predictable answers (in most cased)

WFJ......

WOW. AN honest post from Marc that reveals his true values. I never thought I'd see the day.

Is is really creepy how Marc can write as though he thinks he is being facetious, when he is really writing about the practical end result of the policies that he supports. And he has no clue that is what he has just expressed.

It must be hard to live in Right Wingnut World on a full time basis.

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>They willingly sold their things and distributed to those in need.

Well, they gave them to the people in charge (the apostles) and the apostles divvied them up, each according to their need.

Willingly. Willingly gave what they had. Willingly gave what they had to help others.

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The Bible is pretty clear about your obligation to give to those who have nothing, however they came to be in that state.

Willingly helping others with your gifts no matter how large or small.

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Indeed, "being rich" is pretty much universally a bad thing in the Bible.

Being rich and greedy and selfish and not using your fortune to (willingly) help others is a universally bad thing. That's not a persmission slip for the government to take from the successful and give to those who contribute nothing.

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Heck, the New Testament is even crystal clear when it comes to paying taxes - "give to Caesar what is Caesar's.

Gotcha. Fair Tax it is.

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Freedom is a word bandied around by Americans all the time, but freedom? Freedom from what? Taxes? The above is simply confusing freedom with money.

Freedom to be successful without being demonized and punished.

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Thats how democratic societies work, we all give our taxes,

No, we all don't. 40% don't at all.

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they get spent on things we never even see (roads in places we'll never visit, hospitals we'll never use, public transport we'll never use, social welfare we may never claim. But surely that is fair, as one may have money today but what happens if you loose you're job, your health (Insurance only stretchs so far) all your belongings? Then you get to claim that which you have been contributing to.

Unless you've been paying taxes your entire life. Then you have a right to medicare/medicaide and all the road driving you can handle.

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Obviously, thats how tax works. However it assumes that the recipient never paid anything in in the first place.

Which is a pretty realistic assumption if you look at the tax rates. Many recipients never paid a dime.

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Load of crap. So the fear is that approximatly 130,000,000 Americans will be bludging off the other 130,000,000? This is nothing more than fear mongering.

It's actually not that far off and certainly not fear mongering. Google what percentage the top 1% of the country pays. Look up how many people actually pay for 50% of the tax burden. It's actually much less than 130,000,000.

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This would be the case if half of the population made nothing, contributed nothing and were happy to take without contributing. If that is the case then your society is fucked way before this scenario comes to fruition.

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Remember what '? ' means? I asked you questions I didn't make assumptions.

You can put words in other people mouths. Me? I ignore bull shit like that post.

Of course I want the poor to starve, ignore the homeless, I want my kids and grand kids to die from polution, I want to kill all I can in any kind of war that can be drempt up and I think all democrates are evil socialist bastards that should be run out of the country on a rail.

Hows that!

Now, If you really want to ask a question, do so with out the screwed up premises you posted originally.

Are you a poll taker for the libs? If not, you might want to think about it as asking those kinds of questions get predictable answers (in most cased)

WFJ......

WOW. AN honest post from Marc that reveals his true values. I never thought I'd see the day.

Is is really creepy how Marc can write as though he thinks he is being facetious, when he is really writing about the practical end result of the policies that he supports. And he has no clue that is what he has just expressed.

It must be hard to live in Right Wingnut World on a full time basis.

Just imagine what I would do with YOU!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln