Belgian_Draft 0 #1 May 12, 2009 www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30706018/ Yeah right. The unions have shrunk for a reason...because workers got tired of them sucking them dry for little return. Fucking dumbasses.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #2 May 12, 2009 Unions were a great idea back when workers needed them to protect them from unsafe working conditions, predatory employment practices etc. Nowadays, though, they do more harm than good, and serve more to promulgate mediocrity than protect worker rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #3 May 12, 2009 QuoteUnions were a great idea back when workers needed them to protect them from unsafe working conditions, predatory employment practices etc. Nowadays, though, they do more harm than good, and serve more to promulgate mediocrity than protect worker rights. My sentiments exactly.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 May 12, 2009 QuoteUnions were a great idea back when workers needed them to protect them from unsafe working conditions, predatory employment practices etc. Nowadays, though, they do more harm than good, and serve more to promulgate mediocrity than protect worker rights. What I find hilarious though is that some people have zero appreciation for the improvement unions brought the not just the factory worker, but ALL people that don't own the business they work for. This includes white collar as well as minimum wage workers. I've been on both sides of a contract negotiation table. Without the unions today many non-union minimum wage workers would be at risk of the same behaviors. One need only look at such companies as WalMart to see what happens in a purely non-union environment. Further, not all unions are created equally bad. To simply lump them ALL into the same category that "promulgate mediocrity" shows a certain amount of prejudice that would not be tolerated elsewhere.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 May 12, 2009 Quotewww.msnbc.msn.com/id/30706018/ Yeah right. The unions have shrunk for a reason...because workers got tired of them sucking them dry for little return. Fucking dumbasses. Did you see the report (when the CEO's of GM getting lambasted for using private jets) that showed the leaders of many of the unions meeting at a resort that cost mega bucks per night per room? They are blood suckers. Iwas in the IBEW for 13 years and they are only 1/5th as bad as the bigger ones"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 May 12, 2009 QuoteQuoteUnions were a great idea back when workers needed them to protect them from unsafe working conditions, predatory employment practices etc. Nowadays, though, they do more harm than good, and serve more to promulgate mediocrity than protect worker rights. What I find hilarious though is that some people have zero appreciation for the improvement unions brought the not just the factory worker, but ALL people that don't own the business they work for. This includes white collar as well as minimum wage workers. I've been on both sides of a contract negotiation table. Without the unions today many non-union minimum wage workers would be at risk of the same behaviors. One need only look at such companies as WalMart to see what happens in a purely non-union environment. Further, not all unions are created equally bad. To simply lump them ALL into the same category that "promulgate mediocrity" shows a certain amount of prejudice that would not be tolerated elsewhere. So, what you state first here is an excuse for the shit they pull today?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BDashe 0 #7 May 12, 2009 QuoteUnions were a great idea back when workers needed them to protect them from unsafe working conditions, predatory employment practices etc. Nowadays, though, they do more harm than good, and serve more to promulgate mediocrity than protect worker rights. +1. Protection of rights is one thing, but reward and encouragement of laziness is the kiss of death in the global economy. I could write a book on how badly unions hinder nomral business practices in hotels. groups can't move or set up their own boxes and equipment. shipped boxes are touched by 3 different people- one to bring it to the meeting room door from teh loading dock, one to bring it inside the meeting room, and one to set it up. Did you know you can make $18 per hour plus minimum tip requiments and benefits as a busser? as in to clear dinner tables... 50k per year plus benefits for clearing tables and STILL they walk out? sorry Biden, you fail to acknowledge the real world we're forced to live in right now. Does Biden have any business experience? I don't know much about him other than he is a mouthy/long winded long time bureaucrat.So there I was... Making friends and playing nice since 1983 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 May 12, 2009 QuoteSo, what you state first here is an excuse for the shit they pull today? Every union is different. Some are corrupt, there's no question about that. THAT however, is a membership issue. The membership gets the leaders it chooses. Apathy in the union meetings is what allows crap like you've described to happen. I've been a member of one of those, a VERY powerful entertainment union with roots that go right back to Frank Nitty and Al Capone. I think they're doing a bit better now.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 May 12, 2009 Quote Quote So, what you state first here is an excuse for the shit they pull today? Every union is different. Some are corrupt, there's no question about that. THAT however, is a membership issue. The membership gets the leaders it chooses. Apathy in the union meetings is what allows crap like you've described to happen. I've been a member of one of those, a VERY powerful entertainment union with roots that go right back to Frank Nitty and Al Capone. I think they're doing a bit better now. Ya, got to agree. Kind of like the last presidential election "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #10 May 13, 2009 QuoteOne need only look at such companies as WalMart to see what happens in a purely non-union environment. I think its called making a .....(ulp!) profit! Shame on them!Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 May 13, 2009 QuoteI think its called making a .....(ulp!) profit! Shame on them! Yeah! Good for them! They make their minimum wage workers perform unpaid overtime. They're only trying to be competitive with the other companies they've run out of town. THAT'S what this country needs! THAT'S the American way! Fuck people that can't do anything about it! Yay unfair labor practices!quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #12 May 13, 2009 >Did you see the report (when the CEO's of GM getting lambasted for >using private jets) that showed the leaders of many of the unions meeting at a >resort that cost mega bucks per night per room? Uh, yeah, so? Is it OK for CEO's to do it, but not OK for union leaders to do it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #13 May 13, 2009 Quote>Did you see the report (when the CEO's of GM getting lambasted for >using private jets) that showed the leaders of many of the unions meeting at a >resort that cost mega bucks per night per room? Uh, yeah, so? Is it OK for CEO's to do it, but not OK for union leaders to do it? EXACTLY!!! you got it. where did you see the news report lambasing the union leaders???"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #14 May 13, 2009 >EXACTLY!!! you got it. Cool! So your position is 100% hypocritical. It's OK for rich CEO's to spend lots of money, not OK for rich union leaders to spend lots of money. Got it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #15 May 13, 2009 Quote >EXACTLY!!! you got it. Cool! So your position is 100% hypocritical. It's OK for rich CEO's to spend lots of money, not OK for rich union leaders to spend lots of money. Got it. YAaaaaaaaaa, Right? Do you really think you are that clever? "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 May 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteI think its called making a .....(ulp!) profit! Shame on them! Yeah! Good for them! They make their minimum wage workers perform unpaid overtime. They're only trying to be competitive with the other companies they've run out of town. THAT'S what this country needs! THAT'S the American way! Fuck people that can't do anything about it! Yay unfair labor practices! *rolls eyes* Evidently someone's never heard of the FLSA...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 May 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteI think its called making a .....(ulp!) profit! Shame on them! Yeah! Good for them! They make their minimum wage workers perform unpaid overtime. They're only trying to be competitive with the other companies they've run out of town. THAT'S what this country needs! THAT'S the American way! Fuck people that can't do anything about it! Yay unfair labor practices! *rolls eyes* Evidently someone's never heard of the FLSA... I really wonder where some of the info comes from......"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 May 13, 2009 QuoteI really wonder where some of the info comes from...... Google the phrase "walmart labor violations".quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #19 May 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteI really wonder where some of the info comes from...... Google the phrase "walmart labor violations". I will (and I have) Have you looked into the validity of what you post? You and I both know those with agendas will say anything. and the lapdog media will report it they agree......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #20 May 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteI think its called making a .....(ulp!) profit! Shame on them! Yeah! Good for them! They make their minimum wage workers perform unpaid overtime. They're only trying to be competitive with the other companies they've run out of town. THAT'S what this country needs! THAT'S the American way! Fuck people that can't do anything about it! Yay unfair labor practices! Yeah, it really must be hard for those Wal-Mart workers to do their job with a gun being held to their heads. Too bad they don't have a choice about whether they work there or not.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #21 May 13, 2009 QuoteYeah, it really must be hard for those Wal-Mart workers to do their job with a gun being held to their heads. Too bad they don't have a choice about whether they work there or not. Yeah! Fuck them for trying to make an honest day's wage! If they don't like it they can go somewhere else! In this economy it's just so flippin' easy too! The people that come in to replace them will certainly enjoy the crappy labor practices too! If they don't; fuck those people too!quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #22 May 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteYeah, it really must be hard for those Wal-Mart workers to do their job with a gun being held to their heads. Too bad they don't have a choice about whether they work there or not. Yeah! Fuck them for trying to make an honest day's wage! If they don't like it they can go somewhere else! In this economy it's just so flippin' easy too! The people that come in to replace them will certainly enjoy the crappy labor practices too! If they don't; fuck those people too! If you think about it, why is it that only sucessful companies are attacked like this? Mirco Soft, WalMart? There is a reason, but you have to look to find it."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #23 May 13, 2009 QuoteWhat I find hilarious though is that some people have zero appreciation for the improvement unions brought the not just the factory worker, but ALL people that don't own the business they work for. I have an appreciation for typewriters, too. We still use the same keyboard for our computers. But if someone tries making me use a typewriter, I'll be mad because it has outlived its usefulness in most circumstances. And I'll even disagree with Billvon. Unions are around to ensure mediority. Unions are there to ensure nothing more than the continued growth and revenues of unions. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #24 May 13, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhat I find hilarious though is that some people have zero appreciation for the improvement unions brought the not just the factory worker, but ALL people that don't own the business they work for. I have an appreciation for typewriters, too. We still use the same keyboard for our computers. But if someone tries making me use a typewriter, I'll be mad because it has outlived its usefulness in most circumstances. And I'll even disagree with Billvon. Unions are around to ensure mediority. Unions are there to ensure nothing more than the continued growth and revenues of unions. +1"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #25 May 13, 2009 QuoteIf they don't like it they can go somewhere else! Yes, they can. In the early days of the unions, when they actually worked for their members, workers often faced the very high (relatively) possibility of death just by going to their job. There weren't many, if any, options for them as far as other places to work. In todays job market here in the U.S. every person can choose to work at Wal_mart or they can choose not to. Probably won't die from their choice either way. BTW, I have family that worked at Wal-Mart as a department manager. She liked her job very much, thank you. She now works for Honda assembling transmissions. She hopes to spend many years there and retire from Honda. Imagine that. Somebody actually enjoys working at a non-union auto plant.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites