Plinking

[Zep 0]

Just got expensive, After waiting nearly a month for my local gun shop to recieve .22LR sub sonics
I bought a thousand rounds as the nice lady told me that she didnt know when she would be recieving more.
When she told me the price I nearly droped to the floor. €380.00 Thats more than double last years price.
Then to add insult to injury all she had was poxy Winchester crap. Some of you may like Winchester
but being used to RWS, Winchester just dosent hold a candel to RWS.


So whats the cause of the price hike, are all you North Americas hoarding.

Gone fishing

[BillyVance 35]

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So whats the cause of the price hike, are all you North Americas hoarding.

Probably.... as good a guess as any. The mass hysteria was due to rumors that Obama was going to enact tougher gun control measures.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[warpedskydiver 0]

Damn I thought $32 per 550 subsonics was bad.


I need to buy 10k 22lr soon before it gets out of hand.

You can never have enough ammo.

I can burn through 550 in a week without even trying.

[Zep 0]

550 a week, damm I wish I had that much spare time.

A couple of friends and I have a game we play,

We have a large board 2.44mx1.22m with 25 holes that each take a 12 gage shell
shooting from around 100mts and aiming for the primers,

Gone fishing

[TomAiello 26]

A quick search shows 5000 rounds of RWS .22 LR subsonic for $675 on GunBroker. What are the taxes on this stuff like over there?

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[warpedskydiver 0]

That is only 55 ten round mags or the 50 rounder loaded 11 times.

I think just shooting casually at home it is easy to go through quite a bit of 22lr.

It is great practice for larger calibers, 22lr @100yds or less is like shooting .223 at 400yds or less.

The ballistic drop is nice that it mimic's the larger rifle at greater range.

I think I need a new bbl though, the one i am using has been on that rifle since 1972

It might have a few rounds through it by now.

I can get a green mountain bbl for $85 and it is a heavy bbl.

I can then add an anshutz style stock and modify it to my liking.

[warpedskydiver 0]

You must have a pretty accurate 22lr.

Is it a BRNO?

CZ?

Ruger?

[steve1 5]

For a while I had a bullet trap (that I built) to shoot 22's into. It was inside my shop. I had a couple 22 rifles and a couple pistols that I used.

After a while the fumes from the gun powder and lead were starting to get to me, so I quit.

It was a way to keep sharp, and it was easy to do, without driving out into the country.

Shooting on a regular basis is important. I used to shoot a lot and it really paid off during hunting season.

The past few years I haven't done much shooting. As a result I've started making some terrible shots on game. I hate to do that! You can easily lose the ability to concentrate and squeeze the trigger if you don't practice.

So, no excuses this Fall! I'm going to get my wife and kids out there shooting too. I've seen them mess up on easy shots on game too. Not enough practice is the reason.

When I was a kid, a friend and I were hunting fanatics. We were shooting continually. Sometimes we would hunt with his older brother and his buddy. This sometimes evolved into a contest.....It was myself and friend against the older brother and his friend. It didn't matter if we were hunting gophers, ducks, or even deer.....my friend and I always outdid the other two. This was every time we went hunting.

Part of this was hunting ability, because my pal and I were hunting every chance we got. Part of it was shooting ability. Yes, we were plinking with 22's or shotguns. Practice really does pay off...

[warpedskydiver 0]

When I have time I can make a mistake by over thinking it.

When I react I a dead on...


Go figure.

The brain is a wonderful computer, if you let it just do it's job and quit arguing with what it tells you.

[Skyrad 0]

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The brain is a wonderful computer, if you let it just do it's job and quit arguing with what it tells you.

And that my friend is a great quote.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[steve1 5]

In shooting, I think muscle memory plays a big role. I used to be really good at concentrating on the exact spot I wanted to hit on a big game animal. Then I had trigger control and was able to squeeze off that shot to the point where it almost surprised me. Of course practicing getting steady helps a lot too.

Without practice I have a tendency to blink and jerk the trigger. (Particularly with a heavy recoiling rifle.) If I spend hours at the range I can overcome that, and make a good shot when hunting....

[steve1 5]

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Without practice I have a tendency to blink and jerk the trigger. (Particularly with a heavy recoiling rifle.) If I spend hours at the range I can overcome that, and make a good shot when hunting....

And that reminds me of another story. I've ruined many shots by blinking and then jerking the trigger. Shooting targets can help a lot.

When I was young, I had a chance to go into the Bob Marshal Wilderness. A friend of mine was working for an outfitter, packing horses and mules, and guiding hunters.

My friend was sick for several days and he had to go into the back country by himself, to the hunting camp. He was young too, and his mother wouldn't let him go by himself. It took two days of hard riding just to reach that camp. It was about 50 miles back in the Wilderness.

The first morning out we spotted a herd of elk up on a timbered ridge above camp. It was surrounded by a large burned area. The plan was to stalk the elk from below.

One of the outfitters took a dude up one ridge. My friend, and I, and another dude, hiked up the ridge the elk were on.

Well, our dude wasn't much of a hiker, and he couldn't make the climb. We told him to hike over deeper into the trees and wait. We figured if the elk spooked they would stick tight to that timber and possibly run past him. Which they did.

When we got close we slowed down, and started looking for elk. We peeked over a ridge, and there they were. I had never killed an elk and my hands were shaking. We crawled even closer. I rested my gun over a log and picked out a big cow. They were less than 40 yards away. So close, I knew I couldn't miss. But that is just what I did. I blinked my eyes and jerked the trigger. Then I shot again....another clean miss. And then they disappeared into the timber.

I couldn't believe it I was truly discouraged with myself. I walked over into the timber. A spike bull took off running and I dropped it at close range, with one shot. Then we heard some more shooting. One of the dudes shot a big six point.

This is a good example of what buck fever can do to you, and what not to do. Blinking your eyes and jerking the trigger can ruin a hunt every time.....

[mnealtx 0]

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A quick search shows 5000 rounds of RWS .22 LR subsonic for $675 on GunBroker. What are the taxes on this stuff like over there?

Places like ammoman have 22LR for around $200/5000 rds...when they have it in stock. Not subsonic, though.

Mike
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[TomAiello 26]

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A quick search shows 5000 rounds of RWS .22 LR subsonic for $675 on GunBroker. What are the taxes on this stuff like over there?

Places like ammoman have 22LR for around $200/5000 rds...when they have it in stock. Not subsonic, though.

The subsonic is usually more.

Plus, I agree with the OP that most American .22 sucks compared to most Euro .22. I think it's because in some places that's all they can get, so it's viewed as a more "serious" caliber there.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
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[steve1 5]

I guess I am behind the times some. What exactly is sub sonic 22 ammo? I assume this is loaded slower than the speed of sound. Why would that be an advantage?....(unless you have a silencer)....Are these loaded with a heavier bullet? Is that the reason they have less speed than standard 22 long rifle ammo.

[warpedskydiver 0]

In quality ammunition they are more accurate.

The reason is they do not go through the transonic regime near the end of max usable range.


Plus they are not as loud

[Zep 0]

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I guess I am behind the times some. What exactly is sub sonic 22 ammo? I assume this is loaded slower than the speed of sound. Why would that be an advantage?....(unless you have a silencer)....Are these loaded with a heavier bullet? Is that the reason they have less speed than standard 22 long rifle ammo.

Subsonic rounds leave the barrel below the speed of sound and are in general hollow points, Yes I do use a suppressor for a variety of reasons.
one being not to annoy the locals, another is that I find a suppressor actualy improves the flight path of the bullet, I seem to hit the target more times with a suppressor than without. ofcorse thats just me, maybe the weight of the suppressor just gives the barrel some extra weight that compliments my shooting style.

Tom Aiello. the taxes here are 16%, as I live in a very small community the local gunstore has always been more expensive due to the low volume of trade
I do try to support it as much as possible as it would be a pitty if it closed but hell doubling in price maybe it's time to pop over to Andorra where it's cheaper and tax free.



Warpedskydiver. For casual plinking I use a (French) Unique XD 21 Bis with a run of the mill scope.
For serious shooting such as pest control, Fox, Mink, Rabbits and Hares I use an Anschultz 525 with a Swarovski Z6 1-6x24 scope
with Remington HV .22lr or RWS Dynamite Nobel subs, depending on the range and conditions.

As a side note, I've tried the Winchester wildcat, the CZ Farmer and the 10/22 Ruger, but my money goes on the Anschultz.

Gone fishing

[steve1 5]

I guess there is a lot I don't know on this topic. I've never really thought about how breaking the sound barrier might have an effect on accuracy. That is a new concept to me....Didn't Chuck Yaeger say there was increased turbulance as his plane approached the sound barrier?

I usually buy several different brands of 22 long rifle, and buy more of the type my rifles shoot best with. Maybe I'll give the subsonic stuff a try....

[JohnRich 4]

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I guess there is a lot I don't know on this topic. I've never really thought about how breaking the sound barrier might have an effect on accuracy. That is a new concept to me....Didn't Chuck Yaeger say there was increased turbulance as his plane approached the sound barrier?

I usually buy several different brands of 22 long rifle, and buy more of the type my rifles shoot best with. Maybe I'll give the subsonic stuff a try....

I'm not sure I understand the subsonic .22 either. Making less noise when shooting in a populated area is good. Or when shooting indoors. But I'm skeptical of the the accuracy argument.

It's true that bullets start to wobble and get inaccurate when dropping from supersonic to subsonic speeds. However, you shouldn't be shooting at something so far away with a .22 that the bullet has a chance to do that. Stick to a hundred yards or less and you're okay. Beyond that with a .22? Get a bigger rifle.

1,000-yard shooters know this problem well. It can be problematic getting a bullet going fast enough to retain supersonic velocity that far out. When they don't make it, the group sizes open up, or you get "flyers", with unexplained hits way off from center.

The only way we really know our 1,000 yard shots are subsonic, is when our target pullers in the pits tell us. They either hear a "crack" from a supersonic bullet flying overhead, or a "pffft" from a subsonic shot. That's the difference between the mini sonic boom, or just the whooshing of air.

[TomAiello 26]

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I'm not sure I understand the subsonic .22 either.

Mine is for suppressed use. An integrally suppressed .22 is the best thing I've found for teaching kids (or other people) to shoot, because it helps eliminate the initial fear of the loud noises and recoil.

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Beyond that with a .22? Get a bigger rifle.

In some countries that's not an option.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

[JohnRich 4]

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An integrally suppressed .22 is the best thing I've found for teaching kids (or other people) to shoot, because it helps eliminate the initial fear of the loud noises and recoil.

If an unsuppressed .22 is going to scare them, then there's no hope anyway.

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Beyond that with a .22? Get a bigger rifle.

In some countries that's not an option.

Then they should sure as heck use full-powered .22 loads, and not weak-powered subsonic loads.

[warpedskydiver 0]

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I guess I am behind the times some. What exactly is sub sonic 22 ammo? I assume this is loaded slower than the speed of sound. Why would that be an advantage?....(unless you have a silencer)....Are these loaded with a heavier bullet? Is that the reason they have less speed than standard 22 long rifle ammo.

Subsonic rounds leave the barrel below the speed of sound and are in general hollow points, Yes I do use a suppressor for a variety of reasons.
one being not to annoy the locals, another is that I find a suppressor actualy improves the flight path of the bullet, I seem to hit the target more times with a suppressor than without. ofcorse thats just me, maybe the weight of the suppressor just gives the barrel some extra weight that compliments my shooting style.

Tom Aiello. the taxes here are 16%, as I live in a very small community the local gunstore has always been more expensive due to the low volume of trade
I do try to support it as much as possible as it would be a pitty if it closed but hell doubling in price maybe it's time to pop over to Andorra where it's cheaper and tax free.



Warpedskydiver. For casual plinking I use a (French) Unique XD 21 Bis with a run of the mill scope.
For serious shooting such as pest control, Fox, Mink, Rabbits and Hares I use an Anschultz 525 with a Swarovski Z6 1-6x24 scope
with Remington HV .22lr or RWS Dynamite Nobel subs, depending on the range and conditions.

As a side note, I've tried the Winchester wildcat, the CZ Farmer and the 10/22 Ruger, but my money goes on the Anschultz.

I am not familiar with the XD 21 Bis I will have to look it up.

The Anshutz is tops, but here the money needed to acquire one is just plain obscene.

The 10/22 is not accurate to start with, but it can be made better pretty easily.

A trigger job, new heavy bbl, and muzzle brake or suppressor and it is pretty good.

You can do a bolt raidus job on it with a belt sander, then stone it for a mirror finish.

The recoil buffer is a piece of 40 duromoeter polyurethane 0.25"x1.00"


The older remington model 41 series bolt guns were great, we used to see them at estate sales for under $50, with a scope mount they are unbelievable tack drivers.

But most of them have been scooped up due to certain internet sites telling everyone about them as a bargain.

The BRNO is top notch as well, but hard to find here.

The integrally suppressed BRNO was the rifle a friend of mine was using in Norway to hunt geese.

He would shoot the lookout and then continue down the line until he got all the geese needed for the freezer.

[steve1 5]

I've got an older Remington 22, with a tubular magazine, that I really enjoy shooting. (I can't recall the model number, right now.)

At any rate, I grew up that same model 22. I shot everything from gophers, to grouse, to badgers with it. I later traded it off. I didn't realize how great that old gun was until I no longer had it. About ten years ago I bought another one at a gun show.

It has a long barrel, and will drive tacks. The trigger isn't too bad either considering it is a factory trigger.

My daughter and I entered a turkey shoot a while back. Everyone was shooting their favorite 22's. I won the men's division and my daughter won the kid's division. We both were shooting the same old Remington....

[warpedskydiver 0]

My friend Steve has the same rifle, he had it since he was a kid.

That was his very first firearm.

I fixed it for him last spring it was jammed badly.

Somehow a shell was driven into the chamber after a squib went halfway down the tube.

Luckily the one in the chamber did not fire even though the pin stuck it hard enough.

I cleared it and cleaned it up, plus did a minor trigger job on it.

He says it works better than before now.

[Zep 0]

I am not familiar with the XD 21 Bis I will have to look it up.

Sorry it's the 51 not the 21

Here it is,

Notes: This is a basically ordinary semiautomatic rimfire rifle with a pistol-grip stock. An unusual feature was the charging handle, which was a plunger in the front of the fore-end. The magazine housing and the trigger housing are one unit. Normal barrels were 19.7 inches, but a 23.6-inch barrel could also be had. Variants include the F-11, which is mechanically virtually the same rifle but done over to look like an FA-MAS; the G-21 used a conventional charging handle on the right side of the receiver, military-style sights, and a short barrel; and the X-51-bis, which is a deluxe version that has superseded the original model.

Gone fishing