Christian call to action?

[Misternatural 0]

So some of my conservative friends sent me this and I wanted to subject it to the SC test to see what you all think of it. Or have you seen this already?
As a reformed Catholic I am very skeptical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

[shropshire 0]

Scaremongering bollox IMHO ....... Next

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Misternatural 0]

My sentiments as well

Also, so what if there IS a shift in religious demographics.
But as an environmentalist it concerns me because- what, now there's going to be a population war between these two?..that's really smart.

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

[shropshire 0]

That's a valid point/question - and I agreed - a daft thing to do (if there is any substance behind the claim).

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Andrewwhyte 1]

Does anyone question the statistics?
It seems like a call to action for atheists/humanists everywhere to spread the good news of logic. Fortunately for us the research also shows that the fertility rate of immigrants tends to fall as they acculturate.
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/031222/dq031222c-eng.htm

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So, if I'm hearing that right . . . for Christ's sake, start fucking.

(The video is a piece of shit.)

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[skinnay 0]

OH MY GOD THERE ARE GOING TO BE MUSLIMS EVERYWHERE WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN TO OUR KIDS???

idiots

[Misternatural 0]

>The video is a piece of shit.

The problem for me everyone, is that if this vid made it to my E mail- then people out there are circulating it widely as a point of factual reference. I am not a sheepdog- but I am concerned. So I am trying to gather information to counter this mentality while I am being confronted by it.

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

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So I am trying to gather information to counter this mentality while I am being confronted by it.

You counter it with facts, not opinions. Verifiable facts, not made up bullshit. Then, you throw it back publicly in the face of the person that sent this to you and copy everyone that he had CCed. You call the person out for being the bigot he is.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Skyrad 0]

Its a load of nonsense. Qudafi used the term 'Homicide bomber' yea, sure he did So there is 2.5 Million Muslims in the UK out of a population of 65 Million! Big deal.
I was born into a Muslim family and I don't know any Muslims that have a family larger than 4 kids, I live in Ireland and its not unusual for my friends here to have six or seven siblings. This video is just plain daft, 50% of new borns in the Netherlands are Muslim??? No doubt the other 50% are Hindus

So Islam is growing, Yep, it is and its been the fastest growing religion for years. But just because a few wack jobs turn to terrorism and extremist views doesn't mean the rest of Muslims follow suit, if they did there would be civil war everywhere according to the figures in that film. Its just silly.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Muenkel 0]

Wear your tinfoil hat and you'll be O.K..

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[nerdgirl 0]

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So some of my conservative friends sent me this and I wanted to subject it to the SC test to see what you all think of it. Or have you seen this already?
As a reformed Catholic I am very skeptical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

Some of my thoughts – you may find something useful or toss them all out the metaphorical window.

There’s a mix of just enough facts selected to fit a specific hypothesis to make it seem probable or to give the implicit conclusion and action an appearance of merit.

The central premise cited that fertility rates correlate to erosion of culture is an interesting one. I don’t know if it’s true or not. I did chuckle that the video’s narrator notes “research shows” – research probably conducted by pointy headed liberal academic types – without any citation.

It’s also correlation not necessarily causation. It might point to causation but it doesn’t necessarily mean that, even though the video strongly suggests that correlation. Illustrative example with respect to correlation: research has shown that rate of consumption of ice cream in New York City correlates positively with increased rate of homicides. Both occur in the summer. Ice cream isn’t causing homicide rates to increase seasonally.

Assuming that the fertility rates cited are accurate, (I didn’t try to verify or disprove, but they sound reasonable to me), a lot of assumptions/premises have to come true – that may or may not be supported by fact, probability, or history – for the implied conclusion to be true. From a formal logic perspective, it’s a mix of base rate fallacy, appeal to probability, and suppressed correlatives.

If one wants to see a counter-example of culture surviving while a minority look to Jews throughout much of Europe, from before Moorish Spain through the 1900s. I have no idea what the birth rate was; it varied, of course. Survival of a culture also depends on other things, e.g., death rate and infant mortality. It’s hypothesized that one reason Jews survived during times of oppression coupled with disease (like the plague) is that the death rate was lower due to certain practices (e.g., higher rate of bathing) that Christians at the time disfavored.

There also are implied assumptions that (1) all current non-Muslims are practicing Judeo-Christians, and (2) none of the Muslims will be assimilated into mainstream European culture. American Muslims have integrated and assimilated, in general, much more than Continental European Muslims. While a minority of European Muslims overall, Islamic radicalization is a much larger problem in Europe relative to America.

Cultural practices may also limit. For example, *secular* mainstream western culture has a much higher involvement of women. When half of a population is prohibited from working (contributing to GDP) due to cultural limitations in the most restrictive Islamic communities, that’s a major hurdle to overcome economically.

Snopes on the video.

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[Misternatural 0]

>Wear your tinfoil hat and you'll be O.K..





I found a bomb shelter to hide in with a ham radio, canned goods. and some comic books...all from the fifties.

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415

[Misternatural 0]

Thank you for all the info, I am not as worried about this now, as I have noticed lately that the portrayed concept is not getting that much traction. Most people here seem to be able to reason that this is alarmist propaganda.

Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires.
D S #3.1415