Fox News Continues to Hallucinate About a Socialist/Fascist Menace

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these guys and gals are working themselves up into a right tizzy

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Last week, conservative factions within the Republican National Committee circulated an e-mail urging party leadership to brand as a "socialist" anyone who advocates even moderate changes to the government's role in society.

It's clear that the overlords at Fox News Channel already got that memo and decided to ratchet the volume up a notch -- to 11.

According to Politico, RNC member James Bopp Jr. proposed a resolution that would acknowledge that President Obama wants "to restructure American society along socialist ideals" and call upon the Democratic Party to rename itself the "Democrat Socialist Party."

"Just as President Reagan's identification of the Soviet Union as the 'evil empire' galvanized opposition to communism," Bopp wrote, "we hope that the accurate depiction of the Democrats as a Socialist Party will galvanize opposition to their march to socialism."

And indeed, this has been a season of red-baiting the likes of which we haven't seen since the reign of a certain senator from Wisconsin. The week before Bopp's memo, Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-Ala.) insisted that "some of the men and women I work with in Congress are socialists." Bachus says he has already counted 17 of them but that there may be more.

Also keeping a list is Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), who in the final days of the 2008 election season questioned then-candidate Obama's patriotism and called for an investigation of Democratic members of Congress for "anti-American views."

Bachmann didn't rest there. During an appearance late last month with Fox News Channel's Sean Hannity, she reiterated her call for a revolution against the tyranny of President Obama and congressional leadership.

"This is economic Marxism," Bachmann said of their economic stimulus plan. "[Obama] is moving the United States away from free-market capitalism and instead he's imprinting socialism deep into our centralized economic planning."

Like most of Bachmann's ranting in the media and on the Hill, these allegations make zero sense. But reality hasn't stopped her from assembling a political career out of comments that fan the flames of fear among the most militantly conservative.

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/139040/fox_news_continues_to_hallucinate_about_a_socialist_fascist_menace_--_and_it%27s_causing_real_damage/

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where is fox news involved in this?

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here:

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Bachmann is by no means America's sole demagogue. That she's been given a national stage to insult our collective intelligence, though, is cause for notice.

Bopp, Bachus and Bachmann's rhetoric has been taken up by the tele-pundits of the right -- especially those prophets of doom who have made Fox News Channel their base of operations. But these knuckle-draggers aren't satisfied with fighting mere socialism.

"We're into socialism now. That's not our final destination," Fox News Channel's Glenn Beck said during his radio broadcast. "Our final destination is happy-faced fascism." In another segment on his cable program, Beck repeated this charge over a video backdrop of marching Nazis.

The 'Fox Effect'

This Beck-Hannity obsession has triggered the "Fox Effect," a media phenomenon whereby the repetitive news framing of one 24-hour cable network seeps into the coverage of other outlets -- and, frighteningly, into the political discourse of society as a whole.

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/139040/fox_news_continues_to_hallucinate_about_a_socialist_fascist_menace_--_and_it%27s_causing_real_damage/?page=entire

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here:

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Bachmann is by no means America's sole demagogue. That she's been given a national stage to insult our collective intelligence, though, is cause for notice.

Bopp, Bachus and Bachmann's rhetoric has been taken up by the tele-pundits of the right -- especially those prophets of doom who have made Fox News Channel their base of operations. But these knuckle-draggers aren't satisfied with fighting mere socialism.

"We're into socialism now. That's not our final destination," Fox News Channel's Glenn Beck said during his radio broadcast. "Our final destination is happy-faced fascism." In another segment on his cable program, Beck repeated this charge over a video backdrop of marching Nazis.

The 'Fox Effect'

This Beck-Hannity obsession has triggered the "Fox Effect," a media phenomenon whereby the repetitive news framing of one 24-hour cable network seeps into the coverage of other outlets -- and, frighteningly, into the political discourse of society as a whole.

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/139040/fox_news_continues_to_hallucinate_about_a_socialist_fascist_menace_--_and_it%27s_causing_real_damage/?page=entire

Does this site provide tin hats?

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[dreamdancer 0]

are you adding to your collection?

(do you want duct tape as well)

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[TrophyHusband 0]

that was not in your original post and i figured if you took the time to cut and paste part of the opinion piece, you would have put the part that supported your thread title. now that you've successfully brought to our attention the opinion of someone elses opinions, what of it?

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Last week, conservative factions within the Republican National Committee circulated an e-mail urging party leadership to brand as a "socialist" anyone who advocates even moderate changes to the government's role in society.

Yes. I understand they are also calling women who are even slightly knocked up, "Pregnant."

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It's clear that the overlords at Fox News Channel already got that memo and decided to ratchet the volume up a notch -- to 11.

Ooh! Overlords. I guess that's another "fact." Well, they are in charge of the company.

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According to Politico, RNC member James Bopp Jr. proposed a resolution that would acknowledge that President Obama wants "to restructure American society along socialist ideals" and call upon the Democratic Party to rename itself the "Democrat Socialist Party."

Funny. That's what I call the GOP and the Dems - socialists.

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"Just as President Reagan's identification of the Soviet Union as the 'evil empire' galvanized opposition to communism," Bopp wrote, "we hope that the accurate depiction of the Democrats as a Socialist Party will galvanize opposition to their march to socialism."

Why? So the GOP can continue with the inaccurate depiction of themselves as anti-socialists? Isn't that like the KKK marketing an "accurate depiction" of the Aryan Brotherhood as racists?

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this has been a season of red-baiting the likes of which we haven't seen since the reign of a certain senator from Wisconsin.

Race baiting is SOOOOOOO last fall. Even class-baiting and poverty pimping seems to wear out its welcome when everyone is struggling. so red-baiting is the next logical step.

Of course, Dems depicting the GOP as "baiting" is like the Nation of Islam calling the NAACP "race-baiters."

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The week before Bopp's memo, Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-Ala.) insisted that "some of the men and women I work with in Congress are socialists."

Some? As I perused the budget that passed, I'd say at least 95% are (conservative estimate).

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Bachus says he has already counted 17 of them but that there may be more.

What's next? Bachus is gonna count only 100 billion in spending in the budget?

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Also keeping a list is Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), who in the final days of the 2008 election season questioned then-candidate Obama's patriotism and called for an investigation of Democratic members of Congress for "anti-American views."

She's a clown. Of course, she should just keep her personal beliefs to her self and lie about them in public, like a good DC politician.

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"This is economic Marxism," Bachmann said of their economic stimulus plan.

Wait. Maybe she isn't so dumb. She got something right.

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"[Obama] is moving the United States away from free-market capitalism and instead he's imprinting socialism deep into our centralized economic planning."

She's only partially right. He (and Congress - most importantly) is moving the country toward socialism. But he isn't moving it away from free-market capitalism. Dubya did a fine job of that. Obama is merely running the uncontested anchor leg in the socialist relay race. And the exchange was clean!

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these allegations make zero sense

I disagree. She's got problems in the background but she's on target. There is a move toward fully socialized medicine. "Socialized" is the adjective for "socialism."

Tell me, is socialized medicine not really socialist? Sure, it may only be a "moderate change" to the government's role. I guess that's like a woman who merely has a fetus as 4 months gestation. "Don't call her pregnant. And don't call socialized medicine 'socialism.'"

I'll call it this - "even more socialism." How's that?

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But reality hasn't stopped her from assembling a political career out of comments that fan the flames of fear among the most militantly conservative.

So the reality is that the Obama Administration and the near cloture-assured Congress is moving AWAY from socialism and towards an unregulated free market economy.

Got it.

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[JohnRich 4]

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http://www.alternet.org/

You really should find some other news sources with which to temper your information.

[rushmc 23]

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are you adding to your collection?

(do you want duct tape as well)

No, I have all the goofy articles I need to remind me of how others form opinions.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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that was not in your original post and i figured if you took the time to cut and paste part of the opinion piece, you would have put the part that supported your thread title. now that you've successfully brought to our attention the opinion of someone elses opinions, what of it?

Look at this persons profile.

Answers alot....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

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where is fox news involved in this?

He wishes to ensure that the "accurate depiction" of Fox News hallucinating about a socialist/fascist menace is known to all.

Of course, I must cite a pretty powerful point dream dancer made - that "socialist" and "fascist" are pretty much interchangeable. They share most of the important factors: (1) authoritarian in nature (authoriy coming not from the governed but the governor who tells people what they will receive as seen in any socialized or fascist system); (2) Criticism is suppressed (FCC regulations, Michael Savage kept out of England); (3) blame capitalism for conflict; (4) support the idea on a single class of people by destroying all classes but one (usually the powerless - no authoritarian government can survive by empowering its citizens. Hence Canadiens gotta travel elsewhere for health care they are forbidden from receiving there)

Most in common - objection to capitalists (ideally, the capitalists can be Jews or corporations or Fox news or immigrants - someone to easily hate and vastly outnumbered).

Now, most fascists are intensely nationalistic, and seek to increase their nation by expanding and killing others. In this sense, socialists are not an exact match. However, there is commonality in the idea that they know what's best for everybody (THE ESSENCE OF AUTHORITARIAN!)

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[billvon 3,120]

>that "socialist" and "fascist" are pretty much interchangeable.

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If words like black and white were involved, instead of the jargon words dead and living, he would see at once that language was being used in an improper way. Many political words are similarly abused. The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable." - George Orwell, 1946
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http://www.alternet.org/

You really should find some other news sources with which to temper your information.

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I dig Orwell.

Of course I was speaking with rhetoric. Of course I was making logical leaps.

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See?

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[Muenkel 0]

What is this Fox News you speak of? Is that the cable news channel that continually beat CNN and MSNBC in the ratings combined?

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What is this Fox News you speak of?

Busted: Fox News Caught Repeatedly Cropping, Manipulating Video.

Hey, kids! Do you ever get tired of Fox News' crops? I don't mean the food they might be literally growing, in Glenn Beck's Doom Room, in preparation for Imminent Socialist Panic. I'm talking about the way they manipulate video to make it look like people are just straight up saying the opposite thing they actually said. Well, it's been bothering the media critics at Media Matters For America for some time, and they have, for a long time, been cataloging "examples of Fox News hosts and correspondents cropping comments by progressives and Democratic political figures in a manner that misrepresents them." A new mash-up video offers some side-by-side examples of what they're talking about:

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/139820/busted%3A_fox_news_caught_repeatedly_cropping%2C_manipulating_video/

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[Muenkel 0]

There's a reason Fox News leads in the ratings and it's not because their viewers are stupid. You may think that but you are in the minority.

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There's a reason Fox News leads in the ratings and it's not because their viewers are stupid. You may think that but you are in the minority.

stupid is probably the wrong word. "unwilling to hear news contrary to their political bent" would be the long version.

Their lead is due to the curiousness that no one else wants to coopt their niche - the right wing that thinks all media is out to screw the world.

[lawrocket 3]

Holy crap! Fox News edits for sound bites??? It should do what CNN does and air the entire speeches.

Or, do what NBC does. If you can't get that pickup truck to explode to prove how unsafe it is, just add dynamite.

P.s. - I usually watch msnbc when not catching local news. I just like it, though I will often turn to Fox because it should also be called Foxy Anchor news. That's what we should really tune in for - hottie anchors.

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Holy crap! Fox News edits for sound bites??? It should do what CNN does and air the entire speeches.

Or, do what NBC does. If you can't get that pickup truck to explode to prove how unsafe it is, just add dynamite.

P.s. - I usually watch msnbc when not catching local news. I just like it, though I will often turn to Fox because it should also be called Foxy Anchor news. That's what we should really tune in for - hottie anchors.

I would venture that you are not alone..... Its apparent that a LOT of deadenders are thinking with their little heads..and not the big ones on top of their shoulders... otherwise there would have been far less support for Caribou Barbie and FAUX News in general.

[billvon 3,120]

>There's a reason Fox News leads in the ratings . . .

Yep. It's more entertaining than most other news channels, and thus more popular.

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>There's a reason Fox News leads in the ratings . . .

Yep. It's more entertaining than most other news channels, and thus more popular.

That must be it. You're so brilliant Bill. Glad you don't feel threatened.

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[lawrocket 3]

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>There's a reason Fox News leads in the ratings . . .

Yep. It's more entertaining than most other news channels, and thus more popular.

More people are put off by Keith Olberman than are entertained by him. Same with Chris Matthews.

I truly miss Tim Russert. He's a guy I tuned in to watch because I could really get informed by the guy. He's why I watched MSNBC.

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[winsor 236]

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>that "socialist" and "fascist" are pretty much interchangeable.

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If words like black and white were involved, instead of the jargon words dead and living, he would see at once that language was being used in an improper way. Many political words are similarly abused. The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable." - George Orwell, 1946
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The link between Socialism and Fascism is rather fundamental.

Benito Mussolini, to whom Fascism owes its identity, was a long time Socialist before morphing to Fascist. His father was an Anarchist, and he was in the higher echelons of the Italian Marxian Socialists, editing the Socialist Party newspaper "Avanti!"

The NSDAP, the National Socialist German Workers Party, had some seriously Socialist core values. For better or worse, the Wehrmacht broke with the semi-Feudal Prussian military traditions; the likes of Erwin Rommel would not have had any chance of becoming a General, much less a Field Marshal, under the Imperial system.

As an aside, Socialism as we know it is largely the result of Ashkenazi Jewish tradition. Survival of the Jewish community in Eastern Europe depended upon cohesive community in Shtetls and ghettos of various descriptions. Many of these values were codified by Ashkenazi Jews such as Karl Marx, and the European Communist movement was disproportionately Jewish.

Similar to the morphing of Jewish tradition into Christianity by Europeans, the Socialism upon which the survival of the Jewish community was based showed up as a completely different animal when adopted by Europeans.

In each case, the converts vllified the originators of the system of belief they adopted. The Inquisition and the Holocaust thus shared a similar heritage.

In any event, it becomes problematic to use such sweeping and vague terms as "Liberal" and "Conservative," or "Fascist" and "Socialist." Depending on who you ask (to include "authorities" on each subject), you can get varying and/or contradictory definitions of what is what. Thus, most buzzwords approach meaningless in common usage, and they serve to achieve obfuscation, rather than clarity.


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