Armed Revolt in the Obama Era? Right-Wing Gun Nuts Share Their Paranoid Worldview

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Ok, I'll bite, what is feeding it?

Have you looked at any web sites that sell guns lately? Pretty much all of them have messages to the effect of "the scary black man is going to take away your guns." How about the NRA?

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[billvon 3,118]

>Ok, I'll bite, what is feeding it?

Comments like these:
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BECK: . . . He will slowly but surely take away your gun or take away your ability to shoot a gun, carry a gun. He will make them more expensive; he'll tax them out of existence. He will because he has said he would. He will tax you gun or take your gun away one way or another.
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Limbaugh: If the government takes too much money and nationalizes everything, I'm telling you, there are gonna be dire consequences, because we're gonna -- just like if it was a terror attack against America, Americans will get hurt.
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Limbaugh: Obama has a plan to force children into a paramilitary domestic army. It was exposed yesterday on WorldNetDaily.
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Beck: These vampires are not going to be satisfied by just sucking the blood of GM's top guy, the AIG executives or any other business or businessperson. Their thirst for power and control is unquenchable and there are only two ways for this to end: Either the economy becomes like the walking dead or you drive a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers.
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RushMC: "Just ordered 3 more 30 round Pmags. I will be ready for them!"

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I don't think the author is nuts. Indeed - the author knows exactly what he's doing.
Think of Anne Coulter. Who is her audience? Yep - people who will generally be in agreement with her. If someone feels that those who listen to right wing talk radio are kooks and paranoids then they will seek sources to confirm their beliefs.

Note the irony of accusation of paranoia. It is often indicative of paranoia to accuse others of it. I'm not saying it is here, but the article has definite characteristics of same.

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Think of Anne Coulter.

yuuuuuck!!!

(do you think often of her?)

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

[rushmc 23]

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>Ok, I'll bite, what is feeding it?

Comments like these:
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BECK: . . . He will slowly but surely take away your gun or take away your ability to shoot a gun, carry a gun. He will make them more expensive; he'll tax them out of existence. He will because he has said he would. He will tax you gun or take your gun away one way or another.
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Limbaugh: If the government takes too much money and nationalizes everything, I'm telling you, there are gonna be dire consequences, because we're gonna -- just like if it was a terror attack against America, Americans will get hurt.
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Limbaugh: Obama has a plan to force children into a paramilitary domestic army. It was exposed yesterday on WorldNetDaily.
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Beck: These vampires are not going to be satisfied by just sucking the blood of GM's top guy, the AIG executives or any other business or businessperson. Their thirst for power and control is unquenchable and there are only two ways for this to end: Either the economy becomes like the walking dead or you drive a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers.
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RushMC: "Just ordered 3 more 30 round Pmags. I will be ready for them!"

Well cool, I now know who is feeding the other side.............

Nice of you to (yet again) post me out of context but, that is what you do and I dont care anymore, I just get a laugh out of it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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I don't think the author is nuts. Indeed - the author knows exactly what he's doing.
Think of Anne Coulter. Who is her audience? Yep - people who will generally be in agreement with her. If someone feels that those who listen to right wing talk radio are kooks and paranoids then they will seek sources to confirm their beliefs.

Note the irony of accusation of paranoia. It is often indicative of paranoia to accuse others of it. I'm not saying it is here, but the article has definite characteristics of same.

....as there are a few on this site who play to their adoring crowd too

To me, most are blowing the whole issue out of proportion, for the reasons you state but, Obama has said what he is going to try and do, I guess we dont take him at his word ?

I guess it depends on which day and to whom he is speaking to.........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Maybe anothe source of the parnioa?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=Obama+gun+quotes&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images

take your pick

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Have you looked at any web sites that sell guns lately? Pretty much all of them have messages to the effect of "the scary black man is going to take away your guns."

I have not seen one message (other than your own) which relates to the President's skin tone. It appears to me that you are trying to stereotype gun merchants as racists. Please tell me that I'm misunderstanding your reason for including a reference to the President's skin tone.

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

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Have you looked at any web sites that sell guns lately? Pretty much all of them have messages to the effect of "the scary black man is going to take away your guns."

I have not seen one message (other than your own) which relates to the President's skin tone. It appears to me that you are trying to stereotype gun merchants as racists. Please tell me that I'm misunderstanding your reason for including a reference to the President's skin tone.

i don't think he was calling all gun merchants racist (though statistically some must be). do you think he was talking about you personally?

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

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Have you looked at any web sites that sell guns lately? Pretty much all of them have messages to the effect of "the scary black man is going to take away your guns."

I have not seen one message (other than your own) which relates to the President's skin tone. It appears to me that you are trying to stereotype gun merchants as racists. Please tell me that I'm misunderstanding your reason for including a reference to the President's skin tone.

i don't think he was calling all gun merchants racist (though statistically some must be). do you think he was talking about you personally?

Are you a US citizen in the UK ?

If not, why the hell are you so intested in our gun laws and feel you have to call gun owner racisits?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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You oppose Bush, you are un-patriotic. You oppose Obama, you are racists.

Same tactic different president. All perpetrated by the same group on the left.

Nobody of any consequence said if you oppose Bush you are unpatriotic, but they used that to try and shut up those calling them on their support the troops but not the war rhetoric. Now, you are a racist if you oppose Obama. Same reason, to shut up those who disagree. Why? Their positions can not hold up under debate in many cases. This is one of them

Labels and names. Got to admit it though, it is easy for them to do with the media helping them.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Think of Anne Coulter.

yuuuuuck!!!

(do you think often of her?)

No, I do not. Either she is as kooky as she lets on, or she is simply playing a part to get more readers. Either way, the stuff coming out of her mouth and that she puts on paper are usually repugnant to me.

But they are designed to evoke feelings and emotions. Her columns are not "facts." They are her opinions. That is all.

I don't like her. She might make sense every now and then - but then again so does Michael Moore.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Have you looked at any web sites that sell guns lately? Pretty much all of them have messages to the effect of "the scary black man is going to take away your guns."

I have not seen one message (other than your own) which relates to the President's skin tone. It appears to me that you are trying to stereotype gun merchants as racists. Please tell me that I'm misunderstanding your reason for including a reference to the President's skin tone.

Well, I guess you haven't seen them all then.

Here's a page from which you can start your research.
http://www.boycotthampelsgunshop.com/category/racism-the-2nd-amendment/

Plenty of other examples across the country if you look for them.

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Plenty of other examples across the country if you look for them.

Plenty of examples of racism in original gun laws, too - did you have a point?

Mike
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I think there is craziness and lies on both sides of this issue. If you go to the extreme right there are many who are dead certain that the Obama government is plotting to take away their guns tomorrow if not sooner.

On the extreme left, you have news people saying that Mr. Nut Case shot it out with the police because Obama and the government were plotting to take his guns away.

Maybe the real reason was that Mr. Nut Case was just that....Nuts! Don't you wish Journalists would just report what really happened without all the sensationalism. I get sick of reporters trying to make a story into something bigger than it really is.....

I don't see how any of this is an armed rebellion against the government!....

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Have you looked at any web sites that sell guns lately? Pretty much all of them have messages to the effect of "the scary black man is going to take away your guns."

I have not seen one message (other than your own) which relates to the President's skin tone. It appears to me that you are trying to stereotype gun merchants as racists. Please tell me that I'm misunderstanding your reason for including a reference to the President's skin tone.

Well, I guess you haven't seen them all then.

Here's a page from which you can start your research.
http://www.boycotthampelsgunshop.com/category/racism-the-2nd-amendment/

Plenty of other examples across the country if you look for them.

Paul, I am still not seeing a message on their web site with any relation to skin color. You referred me to a web site encouraging a boycott based on comments by a (former) employee.

I am eager to be educated here. Please, can you provide a link to a "web site that sells guns" which has posted a message about the president's skin color.

Thanks!

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

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Good thing Obama is spending money on better education....

Let me elaborate, SELF education... like ya know, that one dude, Ben Franklin!

It’s interesting thinking back on my, public education. Of the most significant, I remember learning that the Federal Reserve Bank was a safety net. That the system was put in place to prevent another Great Depression. And that it could stop the crash of the market and prevent the terrible outcomes from ever occurring again…

Actually, I’d like to listen to a man Obama so often attempts to compare himself with…

“The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace, and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow and the money power of the country will endeavor and prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is aggregated into a few hands and the republic is destroyed." - Abraham Lincoln

** Clearing Throat. ** THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK!!!!

Abraham Lincoln stood for the complete opposite of where Bush, Obama, and both parties have taken our country. He was also very clear in his belief that you, cannot tear down the house of one, to build a house for another.

Things like vouchers for DC school children were recently canceled… This gave low-income families the ability to take their funds to private schools and escape the horrors of the failing public school system. DC schools are given 15k to educate a child. The private school voucher? Just 7500. Better education, and cheaper… They are spending billions upon billions… but they need to cut a few million, here? Why?

And just within the last few days, they are currently pushing through legislation that would make all college loans, run by the government. Though Obama said he doesn’t want to run car companies… oh but the congress does, along with anything else they can get their hands on. Obama does too… don’t kid yourself. Bush didn’t want to go against his free market principles, but said “ITS AN EMERGENCY!”

And how do they do it…? “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that, it’s an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.” Rob Emanuel.

In order to understand where our nation is headed, and where our nation took a terrible turn for the worst… You Must Know Your History! You Must Educate Yourself!

You must understand the Progressives… they do not share our American principles and values. Hillary Clinton stated in a youtube debate when asked if she considered herself a liberal: “I prefer the word “progressive,” which has a real American meaning, going back to the progressive era at the beginning of the 20th century. I consider myself a modern progressive, someone who believes strongly in individual rights and freedoms, who believes that we are better as a society when we’re working together and when we find ways to help those who may not have all the advantages in life get the tools they need to lead a more productive life for themselves and their family. So I consider myself a proud modern American progressive, and I think that’s the kind of philosophy and practice that we need to bring back to American politics.”

When you understand the truth about Progressivism… you discover not Socialism, nor Communism. It’s Fascism, but with a smile. Progressivism is about the collective, not individual freedoms. Roosevelt and Wilson were our first two progressive presidents. They both brought about massive government expansion, One Republican and One Democrat. Wilson signed into act the Federal Reserve Bank, and Roosevelt had family ties to big bankers.

The two party system is fake! You think you had a choice? Obama is Budweiser and McCain is Bud Light. Both Progressives… and both for bigger government. McCain had to rush back to Washington… where he voted yes for TARP. Violating every principle he said he stood for, because he never did!

Educate yourself! Here is a great start…

Books:
- American Progressivism: A Reader
- The 5000 Year Leap: Principles of Freedom 101

And yes… if they could. They would take away the guns. They won’t be able too, at least they won’t come knocking on your door. But there are many other things they could do, and many things they have already tried. Ammunition… they attempted to have all spent military cartridges destroyed and not sold to private buyers for private ammo. Which would increase the cost of private ammo. Yea, that one was turned around as fast as it was ordered.

Free men own guns, Slaves Don’t. Slavery didn’t end with Abraham Lincoln.

It’s Time To Wake Up!

Coco

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I don't really care what nutcases like Beck or Limbaugh say. It does bother me that people like this are actually out there killing innocent people because of the paranoia whipped up by those idiots

I stopped listening to Rush, because Rush Limbaugh is no Glenn Beck. If you think he is, then you clearly have not listened to Glenn for more than 5 minutes, like my neighbor. But that’s ok, because you have the right to your opinion... it’s just an uninformed one. Or, you are still sucked in by what big media is putting in front of your face. Torture, the Air Force One fly over, H1N1 flu… I laughed when Cheney was back in the news talking about torture... he’s one of them! Its a fake argument...

Look at my right hand. Look over here, look over here, no, no, no, look over here, look over here.

While the left hand is doing something else… Wake up bro…

And that one guy, who the media was all over and said started shooting people, because he was scared Obama would take away his guns. He was a Neo Nazi... and he was crazy! Crazy people should be in jail! Taking away guns from law abiding citizens, will never reduce crime. Bloods, Crips, MS-13, Gangster Disciples, Los Salidos, and so many more… they will still get guns.

Only difference is… they know, you, won’t have them.

I’m keeping my guns… and when I need to protect my life, my liberty and my pursuit of happiness (property, for those who know this quote a little better)... unalienable rights given to me by my creator. I’ll put a few rounds in whoever wishes to challenge those rights, or the rights of my family.

Obama said he wants to rebuild America. I don’t want to rebuild it... I want to RESTORE it, to the Republic it once was... before the Progressives took over.

Coco

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Again… the fear of an oppressive government taking away your right to defend yourself, or to take back your country, if sadly… that day ever came. Does not make individuals go out and shoot other people. Being straight up crazy does!

Personally, I am terrified of what is to come… China just yesterday cut up our credit card. Soon cap and trade will pass, $10 gas, easily. Healthcare is right around the corner. I’m in medicine; Americans don’t realize what this will mean… Things are not good. I’ll just say I have prepared adequately… as well as have the majority of city police officers I speak with on a regular basis.

Am I gonna go out and shoot someone… Nah, I’m good. But I own guns, and I listen to Glenn… its because I’m not a crazy. Well maybe a little, I jump off of buildings and shit… but ey, to each their own.

Did anyone ever think about the fact that shootings of this nature (conspiracy theorists extremists - that is if comments were actually made by the shooter), violence, assaults and the so on… they occurred while bush was President too… they just weren’t publicized as much. Because the agenda wasn’t to use them to destroy people like Glenn, or to skew public opinion against gun ownership.

Our founders gave us this Republic, and this Constitution, so we could put down our muskets and never need to fight again. I don’t want an armed revolution. We need a revolution formed through non-violent civil disobedience … just as Gandhi and King Jr. spoke of. It’s the only way… and to do that, we must learn our history. We must educate each other and stop fighting each other over what they tell us to talk about.

At my local Tea Party…a primary speaker was an African American, ex-USMC.

His first words, “The Homeland Security Department says that I am a white supremacist.”



Coco

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Fear of an oppressive government is nothing new in the US even after the Revolutionary War. That fear led to the Bill of Rights.

I'm sure that there were antis out there who were vocal in calling the proponents paranoid. "Come on, Maddy. This first amendment thing. Our government wouldn't do that, except in cases of sedition. You are paranoid."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Have you looked at any web sites that sell guns lately? Pretty much all of them have messages to the effect of "the scary black man is going to take away your guns." How about the NRA?

Ok, as you suggested, I've looked at some web sites that sell guns.

The NRA doesn't appear to have any commentary on the President's skin tone. I know you mentioned them specifically, so maybe I'm just missing it. Can you show me where it is?


GunBroker doesn't seem to have any message like that, either.

Neither does Guns America.



Impact Guns doesn't seem to have anything to say about the President's skin color, either.

Bud's Gun Shop (I pulled that one out of the "New Rifle" thread) appears to have forgotten to put up their comment on skin color, too.


I know that you're not the kind of person who would try to stereotype those who disagree with you as "racists," so I'm sure there is something obvious that I'm just missing here. Could you be so kind as to point it out to me, so that I can educate myself?

Thanks!

-- Tom Aiello

Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com
SnakeRiverBASE.com

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Tom if we do not believe as DreamDancer does, we are racists and gun wielding homophobes.

Did you not get the memo from the WSC?
(white supremacy counsel)

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the kind of person who would try to stereotype those who disagree with you as "racists,"

anyone that knees jerks to the term "the scary brown man is ......." on any non-related political subject is exactly that type of person. But I don't think they consider the other person a racist, they are just lazy and use the statement because they think it'll give them a debate advantage.

it's so easy, and so ingrained, and so automatic, I don't think a lot of people even think about it as a conflictive statement, nor as a personal thing

it's been trained/indoctrinated into every single political issue

for people that try to be truly color blind, it's maddening, and very sad

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i don't think he was calling all gun merchants racist (though statistically some must be).

That's funny. Here, let try it this way......

I don't think he was calling all (fill in the blank) racist (though statistically some must be).

And the blank can be....
Democrat
Republican
Grocery store owners
People that drive
Boy scouts
Little old ladies
Skydivers

What was the point?

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Actually, I’d like to listen to a man Obama so often attempts to compare himself with…

“The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace, and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow and the money power of the country will endeavor and prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is aggregated into a few hands and the republic is destroyed." - Abraham Lincoln

Interesting how Lincoln predicted the dark side of capitalism so well. I guess he would fit right in with all the others deemed socialists by SC standards, such as President Obama and Adam Smith.

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