Amazon 7 #76 May 1, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Scratch scratch... Also whats the deal with State Millitias????? Is that not just like a local terrorist training camp? The vast majority aren't. There have been a few self-styled militia groups or individuals who have affiliated with militias who have attempted or poorly executed terrorism. They're usually more accurately referred to as anti-government groups but sometimes get erroneously merged with militia groups, like the "Michigan Miltia." E.g., in 1991, the Minnesota Patroits Council obtained ricin (real stuff not just castor beans/castor bean mush) and planned to use it to kill a U.S. deputy marshal, local law enforcement officials, and IRS officials. Three or four of the members were convicted under the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act (BWAT). There are other examples; that's just the one I know best off the top of my head. /Marg Why did they want to do that? I don't see how anyone can attempt terrorism against their own democratic government and call themselves Patriots. Sound more like traitors. Most of them are fringe right wing conservatives that if they do vote... vote for repubicans.... that they believe to be good christian "conservatives. They usually are also white supremecists who believe this is a christian country and only white christian's like themselves are the only true patriots Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #77 May 2, 2009 I’ve lived in 5 States (California, Georgia, Illinois, Michigan, and Virginia). Exactly how many States do you intend to get thrown out of? I have a stronger sense of cultural connection to my State; my allegiance is to the United States. I have no issue with Georgia celebrating its culture, They're not forcing their historical reflection on any other State or national referendum. April is Oklahoma History Month. We celebrate the good, the bad, the ugly... We embrace those things we did well and forgive ourselves for those things we did poorly (Indians). Tulsa was originally part of Indian Territory and was first settled by the Lochapoka and Creek tribes in 1836. The settlement was first named "Tallasi", meaning "old town" in the Creek language, (as a result of the "Trail of Tears" beginning in Tallahassee) which later became "Tulsa." The Council Oak Tree in which the Five Civilized Tribes met still stands today. Tulsa also has the distinction for another worst moment in American history. Quote From the evening of May 31st, to the afternoon of June 1, 1921, more Americans killed fellow Americans in the Tulsa riot than probably anytime since the Civil War. The official death count in the days following the riot was around 35, but evidence has surfaced through an investigation to suggest that at least 300 people were killed. Rumors still persist that hundreds, not dozens, of people were killed and that bodies were crudely buried in mass graves, stuffed into coal mines and tossed into the Arkansas River. If so, the Tulsa race riot would go down as the worst single act of domestic violence on U. S. soil since the Civil War; worse than the 1965 Watts riot, the 1967 Detroit riot, the 1992 Los Angeles riot and the 1995 Oklahoma city bombing. Source: http://www.exodusnews.com/HISTORY/History007.htm Today, That's not even taught in the schools. I'm proud that we _choose_ to remember.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #78 May 4, 2009 Quote the war of northern aggression Wow. I didn't realize there were people young enough to be alive who still called it that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #79 May 4, 2009 Quote Most of them are fringe right wing conservatives that if they do vote... vote for repubicans Oh yeah, because ELF, ALF and the Black Panthers are right wing nut jobs. What a load of bullshit!If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #80 May 4, 2009 QuoteQuoteI never really understood geographical "pride." To me it just doesn't make any sense at all. That. "Proud to be an American" doesn't make much sense for anyone born here. I'm HAPPY to be an American, but I didn't have anything to do with making that be the case, so why would I be proud of it? A legal immigrant is the only person I can understand taking pride in his citizenry, because he made it happen. The rest of us just got lucky. Blues, Dave As one of the aforemententioned 'legal immigrant' types that went through with getting my citizenship, I am proud to live here. I feel my allegiance to the USA much more so than the state of Illinois. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jshaver123 0 #81 May 4, 2009 Can I add a option to the poll..... lol I chose Allegiance to self or family over both the other options.... I am proud of my family and my self and would do anything for them.... It is genetically ingrained to align yourself with bout 13 to 20 people... lol But I did choose state(I know it cause Im from the south) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #82 May 4, 2009 QuoteQuote the war of northern aggression Wow. I didn't realize there were people young enough to be alive who still called it that. My wife calls it that, or else "The War for Southern Independence." You should travel more. There are historical markers all over the south using that nomenclature. I used to walk by this one several times a week, and given it's location I'm certain that several tens of thousands of people still pass by it every day.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #83 May 5, 2009 Quote It was the Bloodiest and most deadly war ever. More men died in that war than all other wars since that we have been involved in combined. Don't be so sillyDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #84 May 5, 2009 Quote Quote It was the Bloodiest and most deadly war ever. More men died in that war than all other wars since that we have been involved in combined. Don't be so silly If you count the "we" as meaning the USA, and the "men" as meaning "US soldiers" then the statement is true.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #85 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote the war of northern aggression Wow. I didn't realize there were people young enough to be alive who still called it that. My wife calls it that, or else "The War for Southern Independence." You should travel more. There are historical markers all over the south using that nomenclature. I used to walk by this one several times a week, and given it's location I'm certain that several tens of thousands of people still pass by it every day. Hm. Maybe my point was a bit too subtle. Then again, maybe not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TomAiello 26 #86 May 6, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote the war of northern aggression Wow. I didn't realize there were people young enough to be alive who still called it that. My wife calls it that, or else "The War for Southern Independence." You should travel more. There are historical markers all over the south using that nomenclature. I used to walk by this one several times a week, and given it's location I'm certain that several tens of thousands of people still pass by it every day. Hm. Maybe my point was a bit too subtle. Then again, maybe not. Maybe I didn't get it. But it sure seemed to me like you just didn't understand the culture under discussion. Broadening your horizons to learn about more cultures is always enlightening. Cultures aren't "good" or "bad" per se--they're just diverse, and diversity is good.-- Tom Aiello Tom@SnakeRiverBASE.com SnakeRiverBASE.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #87 May 6, 2009 QuoteMaybe I didn't get it. Apparently not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ion01 2 #88 May 6, 2009 How about loyalty to the constitution. I would say the united states but the reality is the states are what is supposed to make up and give the federal government its power in the first place. They are, in essence, the same thing. The proble is the federal government doesn't, and hasn't for a long time, followed the constitution. This is the ultimate issue. I am loyal to the united states as government by the constitution but that statement ultimately excludes the current federal government! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #89 May 6, 2009 QuoteThe proble is the federal government doesn't, and hasn't for a long time, followed the constitution. Could you please provide us with some specific examples of the federal government not following the Constitution?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
